I don't have a rule book to quote from but I'm pretty sure any player is played onside by a deliberate touch from an opposition player and that charging a kick down is always classed as a deliberate touch. I've only watched it live however and not on Sky so if I'm wrong on that fair enough, I'm not particularly bothered about the game tonight, we've not deseverd anything from this season.

there were saints players in front of the play the ball, they cannot be played onside,

The officials are awful. Both Thursdays and Fridays game showed. He went to the video ref for things that they culdnt see until they looked at the ref cam and he was a metre away looking right at it, why didnt he just call it!!!

100% spot on..was mccloride put on report if so it`ll be interesting to see what punishment is served up..moon got a 2 match ban for his ill discipline mccloride should get the same,after all fairs fair,,

The RFL need a wake up call re the interpretation & policing of the laws of the game ,particularly when season or even career ending injuries are inflicted all in the name of winning at all costs. The clubs these days are running with threadbare squads due to lack of available talent ,partly through lack of interest in the game from up & coming youngsters ,& in this matter the disbanding of the academy system hasn't helped & also a shortage of bums on seats at games is reducing money for players to be brought in....even Australia is short of good players coming through hence an increase in English players turning out for NRL clubs.

If the RFL don't stamp out these sly & nasty tactics these threadbare squads will mean some clubs will struggle to fulfil their fixtures to a superleague standard.The RFL ,through their referees, need to act before it is too late for the game we love.

Annoying isn't it. It was just as annoying though when Joynt and Sculthorpe did it at nearly every play the ball they took.

Apart from the poor standard of referees who do not seem to have a grasp of the rules of the game, I don't think matters are helped by this obsession of 'letting the game flow' which means infringements are sometimes punished and sometimes not. In these circumstances professional sportsmen and their coaches are invited to take liberties.
Some years ago in a match v Leeds at Wilderspool there was a newish referee called Cummings in charge and a promising young forward called Morley playing for Leeds. Cummings, in the first half, quite rightly IMO, penalised both sides for every infringement and the crowd were whinging about the stop start nature of the game. However, in the second half, both teams got the message, played to the rules and the game flowed much better. Also In the second half Mr Morley walked for persistent head high tackles (Does that ring a bell) and I thought Mr Cummings had done a first class job.
Morley got sending off sufficient which was ridiculous and I can only think Cummings got a talking to about 'letting the game flow' because I have never saw him referee a game like that again.
What is the point of having a rule book if,
1. The referees don't know the rules.
2. Selectively apply them or
3. Ignore them altogether
When a ref's decision can have such a crucial effect on the outcome of a game, it seems farcical to me.

Silverwood offside incident. He deemed it not a charge down which if you look at the incident again is feasible, so if he interpreted that way then LMS is indeed offside.

Those who were at the game (I wasn't, my shoddy excuse being I live a couple of hundred miles and a stretch of water away) may not be aware but at half-time Jon Wells showed that that second try should not have been given by the video referee, he circled Flynn's hand and slowed the frames and it was clearly detached from the ball. I don't moan about decisions here but I am mightily relieved that didn't make the difference in the end, I thought we got the wrong end of some other decisions and it would have compounded the injustice.

Towards the latter part of the game on a high Widnes ball, I am convinced I saw Tickle knock the ball into Ratch but the video ref gave a Ratch knock on. Some poor calls today.

There were several things to complain about the reffing today. Not the best display I've seen, but the messing about at the ptb was really wearisome.
So slow - more so by Widnes imo, but we were no angels either.
Last man gets off really slowly and keeps his hand on the ball. Very frustrating. (Like our 1st half display).

Who do people think of as good refs though???????

I don't think Widnes were square all night. As for the Russell tackle, awful. Can't believe we didn't even get a penalty. The high tackle on Bridge in the first half should've been at least a yellow as well.

I don't think you can give a yellow for a high tackle unless it is for repetitive offences. Its either red or just a penalty.

The high shot on Bridge was the 4th consecutive high shot, 3 of which were penalised. I said at the time that he had to get 10 minutes. The refs have to adequately punish repeat offences, especially when they are dangerous.