Not sure why it's so difficult to understand... I'll try yet again...

Being gay is not a bad thing.

Monaghan's behaviour was.

Saying that the way the RL dealt with abuse relating to Thomas is a precedent for Monaghan's case could lead people to believe that a comparison is being drawn between the subject matter.

Not sure why you have an issue with clarifying that the only reason Smith mentioned the Thomas case (if he did, if not then he should make it clear he did not) was to show that there is a disciplinary procedure.

Given the homophobia in certain sections of the game that was exposed in the Thomas case I would have expected all decent RL fans to be very sensitive to the need not to cause further offence. Clearly this is not a priority for you and others on this board.

I'm not going to waste anymore of my time on replying to you... you can plainly see that smith made no direct reference to the thomas case...

I could quote smith directly again... but what's the point... you're hell bent on getting someone to deny something that was quite obviously never said.

so no... this clearly isnt a priority to me and others on this board... and if its a priority for you in your life, then i think you should get some new ones.

sorry one last post on the matter..... i would just like to say i think you're barking up the wrong tree.

Has anyone got any spare molehills? I'm collecting them in the hope of creating a large mountain out of them.

Sadly you did, twice.

thats christmas ruined then.

I surely hope not, for all concerned.

think i might watch elf to cheer myself up.

i guess i just couldn't let sleeping dogs lie.

When i need cheering up,i just look at old copies of Razzle and Mayfair.

LOL no dig at you pal, I get your point. It's a storm in a tea cup but Monaghan will get ribbed mercilessly (as we would ensure if he played for Wigan/Saints/Anyone in SL) and nothing Smith will say will stop it or get it stopped by the RFL. All it's done is draw more attention to it.

Will Madge clarify Amos Roberts saying that the new shirt is "gay" ?

is it any wonder though .....take last year for example when new signing Ryan Atkins was asked if he thought Warrington could go one better and win the two trophies... and he said "yes theres no reason why we cant"

cue the pie eaters claiming we are all arogant cocks saying we are going to win the lot...

I find its only worthwhile listening to a pie eater if they are in posession of a geniune certificate from the 'i'm not a simpleton society' otherwise give em a wide berth.

you should see a pie eater in Leigh they have to get clarification on Pies ...god forbid they eat a lobby by mistake...

I haven't seen anything to suggest Amos has said what you allege. If you have then I suggest you write to Wigan and the RL.

If anyone associated with a club uses the word gay in a negative way then that would be a breach of the RL's guidance to clubs on homophobia. I would support action against any person breaching those guidelines, whether connected with Wigan or any other club.

you are so far up yourself it's untrue! get over yourself!

I'm getting the feeling the subject matter may well be a little close to home for him.

Thou protesteth to much.

A truly appalling post. I wonder how many other people in RL share your views given some of the nonsense spouted on this thread and the one on the Wigan board.

I'll be interested to see what if any action is taken by the moderators on this. The RFL has said it wants a zero tolerance approach on homophobia and I am being attacked in this and other posts for following that line. Unbelievable.

It's ok deano.... Were all friends on here.

Don't remember that, but I do remember ridiculing you after Matty Cooper had said you weren't afraid of St Helens and would beat them if you drew them despite not beating them since their star man Guy Fawkes was out due to unforeseen circumstances and having not won at Knowsley Road since a young Joseph of Arimethea caught a Thomas Doubter bomb in the dying seconds to go over.

With regards to the Monaghan case, he will take stick but dependant on how far it goes should determine whether fines are handed out not Tony Smith, and it is NOTHING like the Thomas case.

Can we break this down AGAIN



So good natured abuse is inevitable AND IF it's good fun FAIR ENOUGH
So he isn't putting a blanket ban in a catch all policy of abuse just saying DON'T go over the top.
Reading in to this he probably means vitriolic abuse



Now my little pedigree chums he isn't saying dog chants and homophobia are the same but he is equating the word ABUSE aimed at one player, which is over the top as being the same thing.
He is just using the Thomas case as a point of reference to the precedent set by the RFL for abusing a player.

Is it so hard to understand or does supporting a team other than Warrington turn you in to a complete one eyed moron ?

It's easy to understand. What people are commenting on (or at least I am) is that abusing a player for being gay is totally different to abusing a player for something else.

If someone decides to abuse Stuart Fielden for being knocked out by Mason when we play Hull KR then that is totally different to abusing a player for being gay as would be abusing Raynor or Bailey for their criminal past. Abusing Monaghan for what he did is also different. Yes It's abuse but it's not strictly illegal as homophobic or racial abuse is.

That's why I think it would be tough for Smith to call for clubs to be fined ala Cas.

Who's Matty Cooper?

Whatever his name is.

Micheal Cooper

I get that, but forget the word homophobic and concentrate on the word abuse.

Try it this way
If i assaulted you for being gay or assaulted you for dog fellatio would the police let me off for the 2nd offence ?

Good point