Ive seen eastmond play many a reserve game against big names returning from injury. True hardmen like Morley and Peacock. Ive also seen him bloody and bruised and knocked into next week from high tackles and him still refuse to go off. So im supposed to believe some cock and bull story made up from a wigan fan, rather than what ive seen with my own eyes? K mate, dream on

The story is from a Saints fan and was a member of the Saints coaching staff, not a Wigan fan so its hardly "bull" as you put it. He would tell you himself what happened and it isn't the first time he's limped off when the going gets tough. Sam has played more games this year than Eastmond.

And for the record, I think Kyle is an excellent player but it's already been noted he lacks the toughness/heart that Sam has. We can only see how things develop over the next few years.

Yes, sam has played 7 more games because Eastmond has a legitamte injury.

Ok folks, you heard it from the wigan fan first. If ever your player gets an injury and cant play its all down to mental toughness. Once Sam "the mental warrior" Tomkins gets an injury and cant play, its because hes not mentally tough enough. Maybe if Soliola had more of this mental toughness, he could have played through a ruptured Knee. Same for Richard Owen and Chev Walker. Broken legs? Pah, its mental toughness.

Has any player in the game never had an injury ?

Sam Tomkins, because of his "Mental Toughness"

I'd still rather have Eastmond than Tomkins. Eastmond really takes the line on at speed and most of the time is able to knock players over as he goes through, Tomkins gets collared and thrown on the floor.

You fail to see the point, it's not the size of the injury and its ridiculous to compare it to those players injuries who are long term injured. It's the mental toughness for carrying on which is what I originally pointed out the main difference between the 2 players. You say you've seen Kyle carry on when taking a knock, well thats your opinion. I've seen him looking and wanting to come off when the going gets tough and has come off, with Sam or Myler I haven't seen that yet.

You are just making things up now. First you claimed he hasnt played as many games as Tomkins, because hes mentally weak but I showed that just silly because he has had legitimate injuries and now you are making things up about him looking like he wants to come off, something I havent seen at any Saints game.

Eastmond > Tomkins.

Wow...That team would walk Superleague

Do many people hate McGoldrick? I despise Wellens much more.

I didn't claim he has played less games than Sam because he is mentally weak, I was pointing out how many games they have both played this year just for facts. I know who to believe with what happened before the Leeds game, whether you pick to believe it or not I really don't care, but it remains he is injury prone and IMO will always continue to do so.

Ahh, so now we have moved away from Mental Toughness to injury prone. Injury prone he may be, but that wasnt what you were claiming. Want to move the goal posts anymore?

Not at all, I still believe Sam is more tougher than Kyle when it comes to the push and shove. Always has been in the reserve grade and will continue to do so in SL.

Sam will get more stuck in after a big hit, Eastmond will decide to hang round the back for a bit for fear of getting it again.

Yeah but how big is your dad ?

Hes not as mentally tough as Sam Tomkins is

5'9"

No, people hate him because he's a complete with an attitude problem. He wants to niggle in every tackle and it's only a matter of time before some does a 'Fielden' on him. I don't fear him - Jesus, we've faced better players them him over the years.

That said, whether he is the end of a bell or not, he is an excellent player and Wigan are lucky to have him.

well said..someone talking sense at last..i`d go as far as saying..good player yes class act no and never will be..give me eastmond any day...

well said..someone talking sense at last..i`d go as far as saying..good player yes class act no and never will be..give me eastmond any day...'"

I hate wire more.

Having played with and against both I can vouch that Kyle does seem to suddenly get an injury if he makes a mistake or gets a big shot

Personally i'd rather have them both, but if I had to choose it would be Sam, purely on the fact that he's near enough been an ever present for 2 years, whereas Eastmond has struggled.