Shithouse...simple.

I dont think anyone would dispute he's a great player domestically.
When it comes to the biggest stage i just think he's, well, lacking.
At that level McGuire's the better option at 6.

hit and miss for me i wouldnt place him in the my super league top ten players

As is almost every other player who pulls on an England jersey. Even McGuire is like a lost little boy when it comes to playing the Aussies.

Not so.
McGuire is one England half back the aussies actually rate.
At SL level he isn't quite as explosive as Pryce but he's developed an all round better understanding of the game and against organised defences i've said which one i'd take. Your opinion's obviously different, no biggie.

The guy is a grade A numptie.

has anyone actually got this infamous list of who the aussies rate?

No they don't, McGuire was one of the (many) major disappointments of the World Cup. He didn't get many starts granted, but a 'world class' player, which is what you are suggesting he is if you believe the Aussies rate him, will make an impact wether he plays 40 minutes or 80. Darren Lockyer, when asked about the England squad last year prior to the WC hadn't even heard of McGuire. How's that for 'rating him? And the only players out of the team who faced Australia last year who the Aussies gave any credit to after the campaign were Peacock, Ellis, Morley, Roby and Graham. And even they looked mediocre, and that is being kind.

That not quite correct.
Despite Leon Pryce being totally anonymous in the 2nd Grand Final in a row and bring out played by McGuire, Pryce went into the PNG game as the No.6, after 65 minutes of more anonyminity he was brought off and replaced by McGuire who looked far more dangerous, set up one try, and had a hand in another that was then disallowed.

McGuire played very well in the semi against NZ and was raved about by several Aussie pundits including Phil Gould who stated that McGuire is good enough to play in the NRL and needs to go there to develop further.

Also Morely and Peacock had very good world cups and if I remember correctly, Gleeson to played well in the semi against NZ.

As for the statement about Lockyer saying he had never heard of McGuire, i never read anywhere Lockyer saying he had never heard of him.

Using language like he used earlier in this thread, I tend to agree with your assessment of Mark.

He's got talent, its just a shame he's an idiot at times, attitude is terrible

Out of interest, who are your top ten players?

Proof that Pryce is a dirty get, holding down Carney even Phil Clarke said it should of been a penalty

PNG shouldn't have been anywhere near the threat they were and it is indeed true that McGuire played better than Pryce, not hard tbh, but he hardly cemented his claim as a world-class half-back from that game.



He did play well in the NZ game for 50 minutes and set up and scored some wonderful tries but the thing is he never backed it up and was still outplayed by opposite number. One swallow does not make a summer.



Was on Fox Sports during World Cup

Canny, crafty and a winner for sure. Wish we had a few more like that.

* I make no comment on his off field character.

My issue there is, look at the touch judge, he literally couldn't be in a better position yet misses it, I'm not into official bashing but that's ridiculous, his primary task there is to moderate the play, and assist the referee in making a decision on any foul play. You can't blame Silverwood, that is terrible.

It's awful, really is. Pryce is such a .

To be fair Carneys play acting deserved the ref totally ignoring his arm throwing, belly diving! strop!

WTF do you expect him to do the YMCA?

He pulled his leg back making him fall and therefore preventing Carney from tracking back and making a tackle, this not only makes Pryce a cheat it erodes any last bit of respect i had for him.

Carney had a Cristiano Ronaldo moment. A pull on the leg does not make you dive FORWARD with your arms held high above your head.

Smart player is Carney, knew very well what he was doing.

being fouled!

I'll have whatever you smoking

It was a clear hold down and therefore a penalty , any rugby league fan could see that

Yep! 8 match ban in anyone's book.

It's a penalty though. Clearly.

Yes it is. Not much to write home about, though?