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| Quote ="wire forever"If you know about F1 then you will know how much time Glock lost in the final lap due to him being on dry tyres when it was ing down. he lost 18 seconds on dry tyres, nothing to do with he let Hamilton through. Glocks team chose the wrong option. If it had not rained again, Hamilton would have cruised home. Hamilton did nearly blow it, god knows how much pressure he was under to bring that home today but he did it in the end.
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Yes your talking of small margins here and i mean small margins, Hamilton was within 2 corners of losing the world championship when he should never have been in that position in the first place. Its no coincedence that for 2 years running now he has almost managed to blow the world title twice, my main point isn`t about Glock as a driver or his teams tactics. The point is about Hamilton, he takes risks when he shouldn`t and it gets him into trouble, today he almost came to blows with another car after an overtaking maneuver that he didn`t need to risk at the time, if that had been a more aggressive driver like Alonso that he was trying to overtake then he would have been forced off the racing line and into the really wet part of the track and more than likely off the track itself and probably out of the world title race.
He should never have been in the position where with just 2 corners to go of the grand prix that he was throwing away the world title at the time, his team and car are far too good to be in that position, all he had toi do was finish 5th andf he should have comfortably done that in a McLaren.
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| Quote ="The Angry Pirate"I think this is what most non-fans don't get about F1.....
Look, Hamilton may be a good driver, but ultimately the fact he is in the best car is the major factor, so why all the glory for Swiss Lewis? (or whoever happens to win).
Let's be honest, however good Swiss Lewis is, if me and him had a race, and he was in a Ford Fiesta, and I was in a Porsche, I reckon I'd whoop his candyass, which would make me World Champ??..
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| Quote ="TrentBarrett"Heikki kovalainen has been in the same car as Lewis and has been poor this season, you obviously don't watch the sport so don't make ridicules comments on it you just look stupid.'"
The same car??...Bloomin' heck, I ain't surprised he's struggled if him and Swiss Lewis have been riding tandem all year!!
Big kudos to Hamilton then for taking the title...I never realised the true extent of his disadvantage, compared to Ferrari.
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| Quote ="The Angry Pirate"But again, it comes down to the car....If ALL the drivers were in the same car would Swiss Lewis still come out on top??
Damon Hill once won the title, beating Schumacher, yet let's be honest, Hill wasn't fit to wipe the German's backside....it was down to the car.
My main gripe isn't against Swiss Lewis personally, its the superstar status these guys attain, when its actually the car doing all the work.'"
Then how come 2 guys from the same team with the same car can finish so far apart in a race.
The car is only as good as its driver.
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| Quote ="The Angry Pirate"But again, it comes down to the car....If ALL the drivers were in the same car would Swiss Lewis still come out on top??
Damon Hill once won the title, beating Schumacher, yet let's be honest, Hill wasn't fit to wipe the German's backside....it was down to the car.
My main gripe isn't against Swiss Lewis personally, its the superstar status these guys attain, when its actually the car doing all the work.'"
Utter bo$$ocks. if so, what happened to Kovalainen? If the car did all the work, we would have Ferrari's & Mercs 1-2 every race. Kovalainen has done sod all in that car so the driver must have some input. What about Alonso? Pound for pound, he is the best driver out there, give him a decent car and unfortunately, he will blow them all away. Alonso has being getting consistent results in a crap renault and his team mate cant even make the top 10 shoot outs for pole usually. The driver has a big say in the car - he sets the thing up for one!
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| Quote ="wire forever"Utter bo$$ocks. if so, what happened to Kovalainen? If the car did all the work, we would have Ferrari's & Mercs 1-2 every race. Kovalainen has done sod all in that car so the driver must have some input. What about Alonso? Pound for pound, he is the best driver out there, give him a decent car and unfortunately, he will blow them all away. Alonso has being getting consistent results in a crap renault and his team mate cant even make the top 10 shoot outs for pole usually. The driver has a big say in the car - he sets the thing up for one!'"
So Alonso is actually the real Champ??...I'm confused...
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| Quote ="The Angry Pirate"So Alonso is actually the real Champ??...I'm confused...
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| Quote ="The Angry Pirate"I think this is what most non-fans don't get about F1.....
Look, Hamilton may be a good driver, but ultimately the fact he is in the best car is the major factor, so why all the glory for Swiss Lewis? (or whoever happens to win).
Let's be honest, however good Swiss Lewis is, if me and him had a race, and he was in a Ford Fiesta, and I was in a Porsche, I reckon I'd whoop his candyass, which would make me World Champ??..
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what utter toss. put most drivers in that car and they would do well yes, but the input from the driver is crucial, can't be doing with all this Hamilton hating. Never in happy are we. Well done Lewis, future legend.
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| Quote ="The Angry Pirate"So Alonso is actually the real Champ??...I'm confused...
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Doesnt take much with your obvious lack of knowledge postings on F1. Cant believe you try and kick a British champion down before the ink is dry on the records of it.
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| Quote ="TrentBarrett"Heikki kovalainen has been in the same car as Lewis and has been poor this season, you obviously don't watch the sport so don't make ridicules comments on it you just look stupid.'"
And anyone who watches and follows F1 on a regular basis knows how poor a driver Heikki Kovalainen is given the equipment he has at his mercy, he should be getting consistent podium finishes where as sometimes you think he has stopped at a roadside cafe for a bacon sarnie given his times.
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| Quote ="wire forever"Doesnt take much with your obvious lack of knowledge postings on F1. Cant believe you try and kick a British champion down before the ink is dry on the records of it.'"
Sorry mate...it isn't a personal attack on Swiss Lewis, but I just find the sport very very tedious.
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| Quote ="The Angry Pirate"Sorry mate...it isn't a personal attack on Swiss Lewis, but I just find the sport very very tedious.'" How can you say that if you have never got into it and got behind a team or driver you just have hatred on a English world champion is it jealousy? or just ignorance?
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| Quote ="The Angry Pirate"Sorry mate...it isn't a personal attack on Swiss Lewis, but I just find the sport very very tedious.'"
Fine, no problem, but some of us love it & tonight we have a British champ to celebrate. I for one think F1 is getting better & better but then again I have some close links to the Ferrari team and cant wait until they ring from Marrenello on Tuesday when they get back & when they recover so I can gloat
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| TBH I thought he'd blown it going into the final lap. It looked like Glock was pulling away after he overtook him. But going into the final corner onto the back straight I couldn't believe what I was seeing. A fantastic race.
BTW a little useless fact, its ironic that the last F1 season the BBC broadcast saw Damon Hill win the title in 1996. ITV have never seen a British title winner until today, their last race to be broadcast.
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| Quote ="The Wood"TBH I thought he'd blown it going into the final lap. It looked like Glock was pulling away after he overtook him. But going into the final corner onto the back straight I couldn't believe what I was seeing. A fantastic race.
BTW a little useless fact, its ironic that the last F1 season the BBC broadcast saw Damon Hill win the title in 1996. ITV have never seen a British title winner until today, their last race to be broadcast.'" ITV have done a good job over the years, but I won't be missing the adverts mid race.
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| Quote ="TrentBarrett"ITV have done a good job over the years, but I won't be missing the adverts mid race.'"
Bring on BBC HD. Think James Allan & Martin Brundle should do a swap as well, both excellent.
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| 1. Hamilton and McLaren switched to intermediates when the rain came down
2. Glock didn't
Who are the biggest idiots of the day? Yes. you guessed it, Rob_Wire and Mr Angry Pants
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| The other thing that has been missed is that glock was driving a car with a Ferari team engine and also that the team Principle is Gerhard Berger an ex-ferari driver.
I think you have more chance of platting snot than glock being told to slow down.
Made up to have a British champion
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| Quote ="Geordie"The other thing that has been missed is that glock was driving a car with a Ferari team engine'"
Glock drives for Toyota and they are not powered by Ferarri engines, they are powered by their own Toyota engines. Torro Rosso with Vettel and Bourdais are powered by Ferrari engines along with the Force India team.
Quote ="CockneyWire"1. Hamilton and McLaren switched to intermediates when the rain came down
2. Glock didn't
Who are the biggest idiots of the day? Yes. you guessed it, Rob_Wire and Mr Angry Pants'"
Nobody has said that Gock didn`t switch to intermediates, i certainly didn`t anyway. If you bothered to read a thread in full you would see the points that were being made, Hamilton should never have got himself into the position he did was my main point, he should have comfortably have been able to get 3rd spot without having to take any risks at all. Both him and his team almost lost the world title when given the car they had and the back up it should never have got to that point.
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| Thankyou for missing my point entirely.
What exactly is your gripe with the first British F1 champion for 12 years, who was driving the second best car all year?
Any excuse for a moan, that's all it is. Congratulate the man and drop it
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| I love Moto GP and go the TT's quite often but just can't get into F1 at all. I'm not knocking Lewis at all who has( by all accounts) performed superbly all year, it's the format that does my head in. They should be allowed one pit stop each and that's that, having not watched F1 for a couple of years I got caught up in the Hype and gave it a go. All the drama surrounded endless pitstops and where people would end up after them and the 'racing' was secondary to that imo
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| Quote ="Rob Wire"That bit doesn`t suprise me one bit coming from you as you seem to think that you are some some sort of representative of your cliquey mates on here, the spokesperson so to speak that when he speaks its the casting word.
Its comedy to be honest, you come across as the usual keyboard gobe that this forum has in abundance.
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Well, perhaps you'd like to direct me to someone who does care whether your favourite motorsport is formula 1 or rally cars? Other than yourself.
The fact that you can't argue with my two points and instead you resort to using inane smileys shows that if anyone is a keyboard gobshte Rob it is plainly you. You don't need to be a Formula 1 expert such as your good self to appreciate Hamilton deserved it. Any fool can see that.
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I think you have more chance of platting snot than glock being told to slow down.
Made up to have a British champion'"
Vetel`s Toro Rosso is powered by a Ferari engine.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuderia_Toro_Rosso
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I think you have more chance of platting snot than glock being told to slow down.
Made up to have a British champion'"
Vetel`s Toro Rosso is powered by a Ferari engine.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuderia_Toro_Rosso
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| Quote ="Rob Wire"
Hamilton should never have got himself into the position he did was my main point, he should have comfortably have been able to get 3rd spot without having to take any risks at all. Both him and his team almost lost the world title when given the car they had and the back up it should never have got to that point.'"
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Why do you Blame Hamilton for getting into the position he was in...? the team had to bring him in for the change of Tyres once the rain came down...
other wise he would have been the one left wheelspinning on the last turn like Glock (and his team mate Trulli for the conspiracy mongers). If he didnt change tyres yes it would have saved a pit stop but he could quite easily have put it in the wall racing to keep Glock behind him ....
I thought the team were over cautious but they got it right in the end.
What are your thoughts on Seb Loebs record breaking fifth title in the Rally..?
Ive watched Rally not quite as long as F1 but I wouldnt pay a cent to watch the current field of rally drivers.....this is truly a one driver championship
I'm amazed Hirvonen pushed him so close.
3rd in the championship Daniel Sordo...FFS he'd struggle to drive through bridge foot ...
Mcrae Makkinen Sainz Burns Kankkunen all world champs and racing each other seems like a lifetime ago....
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| Luckiest win ever but he deserved some after that shambles when he had those winning 12 points taken from him earlier in the season.
There is talk of him getting a knighthood now and that is just plain silly. If so people like Calzaghe, Phil Taylor and Carl Fogerty should also all get one.
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