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If morley wins man of steel this is going to go in my signature

I'll wait until Graham performs at the highest level before putting him in the same league as Morley.

Your living in the past. No doubt Morley has had a fantastic career.

However THIS YEAR, Jammer has been head and shoulder better.

What level would that be?

An NRL Grand Final, probably

Ah right Ok.

So Morley and King are the only players in SL to have played at the highest level then.



Of course Jammer being current international prop of the year and the only English player in team of the year means nothing?

Morley is still a fantastic player. He has, even by Smith's admission been quiet at times this season.

I don't see how anyone can question Graham's performances at the moment, they are incredibly consistent and he has genuinely not had a bad game in the last two seasons.

This thread wasn't that discussion however, I merely used Graham's and Peacock's stats because they are the two best performing props stat wise and I thought the fact the two Wire props have mad far fewer tackles and far more missed tackles highlighted a failing in their defensive work.

No, they're not.

Chris Hicks has. And Michael Monaghan.

And Ben Galea. And Liam Fulton. Etc. Etc.

James Graham hasn't.

HTH.

And rauhihi has aint he?

It would be interesting to extrapolate the missed tackles from the first six games of the season.

what we need are post smith stats. I think next season will shut a fair few of these cockmonkeys up.

Gutted we missed out on fozzard though

No he hasn't.

International level, NRL Level which to be fair FGB hasn't had a crack at and never will as he's not good enough.

International level. He was international prop of the year and the only Englishman in the team of the year. He must be doing something right?

I understand that the NRL is a better standard comp, but i don't see the fascination with it being the only way a player can be world class. Why would a player feel the need to go to the NRL when they are the best player in the league, payed well (more than in the NRL), close to family and paying for a team they are passionate about.

Best player in the league? Have you been drinking? I didn't think team of the year? Dream team? Meant nothing.

Yes, and No.



They don't particulalry considering they are voted by the media, and the meida are generally wrong! For example that guy who does the times blog (Chris Irvine?) wanted Keith Mason to be one of the props in the dream team. I have nothing against Mason, but he hasn't been the second best player in his position in the league.

However to be voted into the team of the year and being the only Englishman must show that he impressed the Aussies, and made an impression in a tournament when we were terrible in large.

So what you're saying is....it means something if it's a Saints player?

What a balloon. Keep talking and digging yourself in further with your skewed propaganda.

Just to clarify, you lot don't rate James Graham?

For the avoidance of doubt I don't think any wire fan on here would not like to see him in our pack.

No. I was using your reasoning. You used Morley being in the dream team as being some kind of reasoning as to him being better. Well Graham is the current Man of Steel.

You then said Morley has proved he is better at the international level so is therefore better than Graham. Well Jammer was recognised as the international prop of the year and the only Englishman in the team of the year. At least it shows he is acknowledged as being of the required international standard.

Personally i don't pay that much attention to dream teams and the such, but since YOU brought it up as a way to say Morley is better than him,i thought i'd indulge you and show that Jammer is equally as recognised with awards. I'll settle for the fact that Jammer has a far greater statistical output and does far more work than Morley and you can bask in the joy that he is dream team.

How many metres would Morley have with as many carries as the FGB? Nuff said. Can argue allday we're never going to agree.

5,300.

Means nothing though because:

A)He didn't.
B) He wouldn't.
C)Doesn't account for the more carries the more likely he is to fatigue etc
D)It is a pointless figure to work out. If i make one run of 10 yards work out what i'd be with the same carries as Jammer, i'd be the highest runner in the league with 6,570 yards. Not particularly likely.

Oh, and if we can work out stats, based on carries by Jammer, then Puletua would make 5,789 yards.

you mean nothing,go and take your jammer bumming back to redvee,i would take morley over graham every time even if he didn't play for us,morleys been there done it and still is doing it,graham is a good prop but he has a long way to go before he even becomes comparable to morley in terms of stature and respect in the game.