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| Quote ="CW8"What I mean is its likely anybody would have to pay him what he was worth and not what he is currently worth. There is quite a big performance gap in that. It's a gamble that he will get back to what he was, from an England fan point of view I really hope he does. I wouldn't exactly put my house on it though.'"
If he got back to 85%-90% of his best for...he'd still be international material.
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| I agree but would he still be worth 100% of a near marquee wage? That's what Leeds seem to have decided against. That said they need a lot of cap space to rebuild.
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| Quote ="CW8"I agree but would he still be worth 100% of a near marquee wage? That's what Leeds seem to have decided against. That said they need a lot of cap space to rebuild.'"
Yes. I don't think any centre or props and 2nd rowers should be expending the marquee allowance.
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| Agree, they would have to be incredibly special players.
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| Quote ="CW8"Agree, they would have to be incredibly special players.'"
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Yes. I don't think any centre or props and 2nd rowers should be expending the marquee allowance.'"
Hmmm I look back over sides that have been successful and they have always had one of the best centres in the league, connoly senior newlove lyons gleeson. I also do jot think it's a coincidense so I would not be unhappy if we were to spend big on a centre.
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| Quote ="Dezzies_right_hook"Hmmm I look back over sides that have been successful and they have always had one of the best centres in the league, connoly senior newlove lyons gleeson. I also do jot think it's a coincidense so I would not be unhappy if we were to spend big on a centre.'"
Well the centre would have to be exceptional...
Lyons or a Davis...but these guys were enigma backs that would play that position like a classy half back.
The nearest in recent times was Chris Bridge...no coincidence there that our right edge was lethal.
But there again, the marquee money is still going on a key back playing as an outside back...
I can't think of any out and out centre in SL who would be ahead of Austin Widdop Clark or Ratchford in the marquee stakes....Kallum Watkins is way behind those 4.
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| Quote ="Dezzies_right_hook"Hmmm I look back over sides that have been successful and they have always had one of the best centres in the league, connoly senior newlove lyons gleeson. I also do jot think it's a coincidense so I would not be unhappy if we were to spend big on a centre.'"
Agreed.
Half back or full back will generally be where the marquee allowance gets spent, due to the scarcity of quality available. A good centre can be your most potent attacking threat however, so I would have no problem spending marquee on a centre, assuming Full Back, Half Back and Hooker were already of a good enough quality.
Prop forward is a position that is stacked with talent, so I would be reluctant to spend it there, 2nd Row also whilst a key position isn't so much a problem to recruit towards. Wing also I dont see the point of a marquee spot.
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| Quote ="moving on..."I don't think he's lost it at all. I've said for a few years now he's going off the boil and I personally think his heart is no longer in Leeds. A change of scenery at another club like Saints, Wigan or Wire would see him back to where he was IMO.
And as we are just about to say goodbye to Goodwin & Atkins and Burrell is off the cap for 2020, Watkins would be a good acquisition for me. Burrell will not be the Centre we are looking for this year or next
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| Burrell is past it is he? You've just declared yourself a Leigh fan on the Wigan board - which is it?
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| Sorry - just realised you were quoting some miserable bugger!
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| I'm lookin forward to watching Burrell. He's a unit and if there is a draw and pass to his game...that makes Charnley favourite for top try scorer in 2020.
I don't see him playing left side and I think Toby is good to switch.
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| Quote ="ratticusfinch"Sorry - just realised you were quoting some miserable bugger!'"
Miserable how? because I'm suggesting that with Goodwin and Atkins leaving next season; a union player may find it hard to adapt straight away and that a proven out and out centre, who has been released, may be worth a punt?
Can't even breathe on here sometimes.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"I'm lookin forward to watching Burrell. He's a unit and if there is a draw and pass to his game...that makes Charnley favourite for top try scorer in 2020.
I don't see him playing left side and I think Toby is good to switch.'"
Not sure this draw and pass element is true. I’ve watched him for a whole season and he was a big,strong,quick lump who panicked in open spaces. He’s improved since then, he was young when at Sale but he’s an Atkins replacement with similar strengths and weaknesses.
Incidentally King seems to be struggling to draw and pass properly of late. Pretty often he passes too early. Was guilty of it again against Catalans. That seemed to be his big strength when he first emerged a few seasons ago.
I don’t see enough to suggest he’s going to make it, so another centre wouldn’t be a bad thing. Wouldn’t be spending it on Watkins though.
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| Off to the Gold cost Titans, lets see how he gets on.
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| Quote ="Or thane"Off to the Gold cost Titans, lets see how he gets on.'"
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| I feel like this will be the end of him. He needed to find a club that will play him week in, week out.
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| Quote ="Jack Napier"I feel like this will be the end of him. He needed to find a club that will play him week in, week out.
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| Quote ="moving on..."Miserable how? because I'm suggesting that with Goodwin and Atkins leaving next season; a union player may find it hard to adapt straight away and that a proven out and out centre, who has been released, may be worth a punt?
Can't even breathe on here sometimes.'"
When guys like Bateman, Davies, Devereux and Gibbs came over, how long did they take to adapt? My memory might be hazy but I seem to remember these guys being signed in a blaze of publicity and put in the team in the next week, and it was an era where there was less protection from refs where you had Drummond tackling people with his head and so on, so they would have got tested early on. I can't remember them taking that long to settle.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"When guys like Bateman, Davies, Devereux and Gibbs came over, how long did they take to adapt? My memory might be hazy but I seem to remember these guys being signed in a blaze of publicity and put in the team in the next week, and it was an era where there was less protection from refs where you had Drummond tackling people with his head and so on, so they would have got tested early on. I can't remember them taking that long to settle.'"
I can remember when we signed John Bevan. He played the week we signed him. On his first attacking run, he released the ball as you would in rugby union. He did go on to score a try.
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| Watkins. His best days are long gone. Let him be somebody else's worry.
Burrell. Come Christmas, he'll be 32, and getting no younger. On a similar vein to Sally's above post. This fella NEEDS to hit the ground running, pretty quickly. After all, it's RL. There can't be too much to learn. He's not stripping down the Space Shuttle. The only (potential) worry I have for him, is fitness levels. I remember a quote from the great Davies, after his first games of RL "I was sh*gged out".
Get him out there. He'll learn little, sat in the North Stand
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| Watkins days as a top line centre are gone, that injury plus whatever rehab he has had has robbed him of pace, strength and confidence. He's been reduced to an average second row. Still, plodding around the Gold Coast sure beats Leeds.
As for Burrell he hsd played RL before so has an advantage wise. Get him fit, maybe a game at Rochdale then lets see what he can do.
As has been alluded to earlier, Allan Bateman had an A team game, made a break with his first touch and it was clear then that even if he had to learb the game under the scrutiny of the first team, he'd succeed.
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| He wasn't as bad a Ferris.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"He wasn't as bad a Ferris.
He's nail in Leeds coffin.'"
How bad was Myler? It's rhetorical, he was [ishockingly[/i bad.
If ever there was a British half back who failed to kick on and deliver his promise, there"s your man.
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| I think Burrell will be a great buy for us, every report we read from Price to the players says he has slotted straight in and is working on upping his fitness levels. I wasn't happy at all when we first signed him but now i'm not worried amd think he will turn in to a bargain buy for us. Just my oppinion of course
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