That's almost like encouraging fans not to show up to games we're sure to win.

You're not suggesting we take a similar route to Saints are you?

You could look at it that way regarding the Fev game but i look at it regarding the Quarter Final game, be it Wigan, Saints or Hull KR, getting the most fans you can to a game that is 50-50, those extra fans could swing the game in your favour.

I'm not sure I agree with that. Hull KR is not somewhere we tend to travel well because of the lack of facilities, high cost of tickets and behaviour of a certain section of fans in past visits.

Let's not forget that SM will incur a much higher cost per coach going to East Hull than he would going to Featherstone.

Transport won't be at a premium for that weekend because of the FA Cup final, but it would possibly cost a premium.

what you arnt realising is that warrington get 50% of the gates at CC games so by putting cheap coachs on he gets more money. but with the rovers game he will already be getting a 50% split for the 8,000 crowd that will be there. moran is a business man at the end of the day and in business you no how to earn money. just think about it........

That's a great point, one which I'd never entertained before, cool.

We'd have taken no more than 300 to Featherstone had it not been for the cheap coaches, but we took about 5 times that.

How much does the driving range stand hold at KR? Surely less than 1,000? Meaning he's maximising the Featherstone profits more than he would going to Hull.

thats what im saying plus the coaches are cheaper to go to featherstone hes a smart man to do it that way

Ah right, mis-read, very good point, agreed, top man.

many of you coming down or you lot just gunna watch it on telle? itl be about a £40 day wont it if you travel. plus doing it twice in 2 weeks with playing hull aswel.

Well I'm making use of radio commentary and TV coverage for the cup game (anything to avoid bloody Davies). Not been to Craven Park yet and not overly keen on changing that for a while (mostly down to finances and facilities)

Not sure about others mind

the 2 portaloos are very clean tho

Do you still believe that Moran is no good for the club and that the sooner he goes the better?

LWF - It is only 110 miles to Hull afterall (compared to 70 miles to Fev). Hardly a Ray Mears type expedition into the Amazonian rain forest in a hollowed out tree.

Did he really say that? Oh how we can be wise after the event.

But before you take the are you still in the pro-PC camp?

Wise after which event? It was only about a month or two ago when LWF said that the sooner Moran leaves the club the better for the club (or words to that effect).

Do you agree with this point of view that your mate LWF expressed?

I have no friendship nor antipathy towards LWF - it's neutral, never met him so can't call him a mate nor do I deride him. I was just commenting on how some people like to catch fellow posters out for mis-guided, poorly informed, hasty, postings whilst having done the very same themselves.

As for Moran, and if pushed for my opinion, we'll see won't we. Saviour or just an over zealous fan with a few bob. Who knows.

PS From what I heard (3 sources now, LWF being one) about the potential exposure to the Reardon claim, all is not well from a conditioning/medical point of view.

Sorry if I mis-understood your relationship with LWF, I was under the impression you were mates away from the forum what with exchanging pm's and arranging to meet up at the Quiz Night (which you should have gone as it was good fun as usual).

Don't see where you are coming from with Moran in relation to Reardon. I don't think he treated him. If there is a claim surely its a good thing that somebody with real resources is able to provide financial backing to the club if they need it.

I don't think LWF was referring to the Reardon incident when he said the club would be better off without Moran. Just like I don't think you answered my question about whether you agree with his opinion on that point?

No, not mates on the forum or away from it, but I bear him no ill will. He has sent me, and others, PM's which by and large have proven to be reasonably well informed often in the face of locked threads and derision from other forum members.

As for the quiz night, I believe he sent one post asking if I was there, to which I replied that I wouldn't.

Moran presides, as majority shareholder, over the entire WWRLFC organisation. I believe that said organisation is not run at anywhere near optimum levels across a variety of KPI sufficient enough for us to compete with the very best in SL. In particular, the level of injuries we suffer put down to "act of God" and potential embarrassing exposure to litigation from an ex-player on neglect/duty of care grounds give me specific cause for concern in that specific area.

I think that clears up my position.

I thought Gatcliffe was responsible for the way the club is run, at least he was when you was having your go at Gatcliffe the other week. Seems your the kind who isn't happy unless he's moaning. I think this generally indicates somebody with their own self-worth issues.

As for Moran being responsible for injuries? You've lost the plot there.

Also note you've changed your tune on Reardon, the other day you were rather dismissal of the possibility for a claim against the club.

Well at least you're willing to give Moran time before making a judgement. I guess your waiting to see how the decision to bring Peter Deakin to the club plays out.

Some people just don't know how lucky we are to be Warrington supporters. The club gives free transport (ok £1 charitable donation) to an away game in Yorkshire and suddenly its a conspiracy to avoid having to pay for a longer journey on the off chance that happened to be the outcome of a random draw; give me strength.

I think that clears up my position.

I can't believe you are attempting a rational argument in favour of a balloon like Latchford.

What are you talking about?

He only slagged Moran off last month. What has happened in the last month that allows someone to change their view on Simon 'Pumped thousands of pounds into Warrington Wolves' Moran? How is he being wise after the event? What is the event? I should also say that he claimed that Moran told him things personally which is where his Inside Knowledge came from. THAT is why I'm taking the mickey.

There is absolutely no correleation between that and Cullen's situation and your question is irrelevant. I'll answer it though, no, I'm not in the pro-PC camp anymore. As an aside, I think you need to let Cull go 71 - I don't know why you feel the need to bring him up all the time or make reference to the fact that you wanted him sacked years before he eventually went.

You're right of course. It's not my strongest argument ever and I communicated it poorly. I'm not coming on here again after going to the pub

Couple of points, i may have said that about Moran but i don't remember, if i did I would have based it on the reasons that he runs the club as a fan instead of a businessman and i think he could do better, his actions in putting on cheap transport is the act of a fan, he becomes to friendly with players and coach's which gives those people a right to take the micky out of the club and pretty much do what they want, although i was greatfull for the cheap transport it hasn't changed my opinion. I also made these comment when Lowes was at the club, i now feel that Moran he has taken a back step now that we have a quality coach in charge.

Im not a mate of Wires71 as ive never met him but i respect he views and give him a right of an opinion which is what most posters on this forum don't do, he also listens to other opinions and doesn't shout them down which again most of you could learn from.

Now to answer the question posed by Wires71, yes i know it's only 110 miles to Hull but people use that on top of finances as an excuse for not going, we need as many fans there at Hull KR as possible but unfortunately i don't think there will be many due to these reasons.

As for a conspiracy theory against Moran running the coach's, your wrong Navro, it's common sense that we get a Super League club in the next round. Also are we forgetting that Moran can claim the cost's back against tax.

The coaches weren't 100% free remember. Between two of us we had to pay £12 for a seat as one of us hasn't got a season ticket.

I hope some posters on this thread are feeling very embarassed and ashamed with themselves.