He qualifies on residency... So after 3 years with Cas? Why don't we get Michael Monaghan in then? He surely must qualify too?

Because if he's as proud an aussie as i suspect he is he would respectfully decline

A Monaghan/Roby interchange although awesome would make me even more miffed.

Who'd of thought the Exiles game was just a better version of Lanc/Yorks with all the players available for England selection?

Hansen n lulu at Wigan are classed as English under the quota rules and both have played international rugby for New Zealand so absolutely nothing surprises me !
Pat Richards is Irish as well it's all BOLLOX !
England RU are no different tuilangi Hape just to name 2

I'm not picking and may be wrong but I think lewis boxed for canada. So that would make him canadian (unless he changed when he went proffesional) but I don"t think there is prop boxing nationality tourneys!

Why don't they bring in conscription for these guys who are committed to their new country.

The Nepalese Gurkhas fight for the British Army and then they get British residency in return for it.

Surely as Rangi now feels English and has got this patriotic pride for our country he could do 18 months in the army and do an Afghan tour. Then he could earn his right to play for England and nobody would complain.

What about England's heroic World Cup winning captain Martin Johnson.

Here he is playing for the Junior All Blacks against Junior Wallabies in 1990.

i wasnt aware of that, was he actually born over there? are his family kiwis?

NZ can keep Hansen, he's just turd. How he's got an international cap at any level amazes me. Leuleui though, quality.

No he was born and went to school here but when he was a teenager Colin Meads who was an All Black legend approached him about going to play for a provincial side in NZ. He moved over there and played for a couple of seasons and played for the All Black U21s, but then his Kiwi girlfriend (who is now his wife) wanted to see the world so he came back to England, signed with Leicester and got called up fairly quickly by the England selectors.

So its a bit similar to the Martin Gleeson situation with Australia (although Gleeson spent part of his school years in Aus).

I thought Gleeson spent most of his schooldays in Oddbins

So really he had no place playing for the All Blacks? (just my opinion) as he was never anything other than English, you cant blame him for taking the opportunity (especially at such a young age) but its the system thats at fault I think

I thought Widdop was the rising star at stand-off, what with him playing for Melbourne regularly and that? Now he's got a Kiwi competing for his place...bit odd, this.

It is not too difficult to summise my position on the matter. My view is similiar to wigan (repeatedly) breaking the cap or, to a similiar extent, watching chelsea play football a few years ago. If you are gonna play a game (to strict rules; ie a game) then why go against them. It reall is a question of 'what is the point?' As the criteria becomes looser and looser the purpose to watch diminishes. If the possibility of anyone playing for any team (eg chase playing for exiles and then england) I may as well watch randomers play in the park. The game has become pointless. There is nothing to prove.

I would rather england lose often and know they are sheet than know a team of random mercenaries can beat a team of other mercenaries on the other side of the world.

It is just my opinion and I am certainly not trying to protect some english identity. I want to watch a meaningful game that entertains me.

He's just won MoS as well.

Good! It has been a few years since an englishman has won it.

Was his turning nationality, his '30 peices of silver'?

Under this resident rule where Rangi Chase has qualified for England, lets see what sort of team we could put out.

1. Brent Webb
2. Tom Briscoe
3. Matt King
4. Jake Webster/George Carmont
5. Ryan Hall
6. Rangi Chase
7. Danny Brough
8. James Graham
9. Michael Monaghan
10. Garreth Carvell
11. Gareth Ellis
12. Steve Menzies
13. Sam Burgess

14. James Roby
15. Kylie Leuluai
16. Adrian Morley
17. Joel Tomkins

Ryan Hall? Screw that. Get Pat Richards in there.

The sad thing is, the complete lack of pride to play for you country has gone. It should be an honour to pull on the jumper, sing the anthem and go out to play for queen and country, whereas its now seen as a CV builder. No passion and commitment is what has killed our international game

Hear, Hear, Side Burns

In the past decade or so, playing for your country has been seen as an inconvenience to some people in ANY sport, not just RL.

All these Premiership footballers, with their "Oh, I've retired from internationals now" guff. Especially the ones (Chris Sutton comes to mind) who've got about half a dozen caps, and realise there are 5 or 6 ahead of them in the pecking order, so they wont get a game. It's just "look at me, I really am Billy Big Biscuits, because I'm retiring...no you weren't as good as others.

People pulling out of international matches with the tiniest injury/runny noses

Last week, Gerrard at Liverpool asked not to be included for England's upcoming game as he wasn't fit, yet he was fit enough for the Derby, the week before.

In our game, we have people changing nationalities because either
a) there are people better than them in their original nationalities ....Pat Richards
b) they know their original choice of nation is a pile of plop at the game, but they wanted international recognition at the time. Now they've improved as a player, they want to change their nationality...Chris Bridge/Gareth Carvell.

GET SOME PRIDE

Pat Richards doesn't look the same player after his injury, ive read people on your board say similar. He's deffo lost a yard of pace.

Anyway he's irish through and through, it would make a mockery of our international game if we started to let players from other countries play for England.

To be fair to Pat Richards, both his parents are Irish. So he's a full Irishman really.

And with Ryan Hall scoring 30 tries or more for 3 seasons in a row, you wouldn't pick anyone else. That guy is top class.

That's a little unfair as it seems like you're saying that this is how it is on the whole. Whereas i think it's just the odd players who are like this every now and again. I reckon loads of players love playing for their country (their proper country) and have a lot of pride in doing so.

great news for players from the southern hemisphere that cant get a full cap with NZ or AUS....Now that they know we are willing to give England international honours to foreigners they will be flocking over.