Our strategy against Saints was not to allow them to play their usual game. As for being devoid of ideas near the line,that has been a problem for a good few seasons now.

You are one of the few exceptions

Agreed. How many wingers have you seen at Warrington who were genuinely better than Charnley.

1. Chris Hicks
2. Joel Monaghan - 50/50 on this one. If you switched round the eras they played in, would Charnley have outscored JM?

Lineham when on form is up there but he hasn't been as consistent.

Eh? The BV pitch is shocking?? BV has a lot of things wrong with it, but the pitch is not one of them.

I'm a fan of charnley and can't see why he's getting stick on here. But I wouldn't put him in the same league as Joel. That man was different class.

Hmm, I think that overhypes Joel Monaghan a bit. He was good but not top class for me. He didn't have exceptional pace. He was a good finisher, very consistent. Good aerial threat as well. But what did JM have that would separate him ahead of Charnley? Not sure I see it.

Hicks was similar to JM and Charnley in terms of his all round quality but was a better athlete IMO so he comes out top. We got Hicks late in his career too - in his Penrith days he used to be regarded in the conversation about fastest player in the NRL.

a decent centre.

spot on

Hicks is the best winger in p&b I have seen for a VERY long time.
Probably would have to go back to John Bevan to find a winger on the same level.

An unbelievable athlete.
CC hat trick was incredible.

He was great...but Dessie Drummond was better imo....
However I've seen Lineham do things no winger in P&B in my memory has...all though...just a hand full mind you.

I think Monaghan is by far and away the best winger Warrington have had in a long time. He made everything look effortless.

He got plaudits for his finishing, and rightly so, he excelled there and is without peer in that field. But he was also fantastic at defending. There were countless times where he snuffed out opposition chances and often intercepting or knocking down passes for certain tries. He was superb in the air both in attack and defensively.

But where he gets little credit is his kick returns and meters made. He didn’t look to be travelling far or fast, but routinely got us out of our own end without any trouble. While Charnley is a bit more bombastic in his return, and you notice more with his flailing arms and legs trying to hunt a penalty, JM just made meters, played the ball quickly and set a platform.

A winger is as good as his centre. No coincidence Joel was superb under Bridge but a cast off when Bridge was released.

He scored 5 tries outside Blythe at Magic weekend in 2012. Should Blythe be held up there with Jamie Lyon?

We released him due to getting older (33 ish) and Cas offering him an opportunity, not because Bridge moved on.

With regards to Ashton, I heard he was dropped for a breach of club discipline.
There’s a video of him doing the rounds on social media of him engaging in some ‘adult activity’ which the club aren't too happy about.

You'll not get the Duck to move on that.

Loved Des Drummond...a very exciting player...always high expectation when he got the ball...BUT his handling was a bit suspect...always likely to drop a pass or a bomb per game. Not consistent...but very exciting. Bit of a metaphor for RL in general really. The excitement has waned for the sake of consistency...making life a little duller. IMO.

I always enjoy this argument because it ties in knots the people who simultaneously want to argue that Atkins never passed to his winger and that Chris Riley was overrated.

It doesn't account for miss out passes or high kicks.

I don't remember Riley being much of a target for high kicks. When Briers was bombing the opposition it was usually to Joel Monaghan, King or Hicks, or before that, Fa'afili.

I loved Henry Fa'afili, he's still one of my favourite wingers, but he also had Martin Gleeson outside him and he was pure class and a proper wingers centre

Gleeson was brilliant, I never rated fa'afili though, he was good in the air and hugged the line well but I was just never a fan.

For me Fa'afili was one of those players who made a successful career out of one good attribute. He wasn't particularly quick or elusive but he was good at competing for the ball in the air. He wasn't as tall as guys like Matt King but he could out jump people. It was during the Fa'afili era that we started really developing the Briers bomb as an attacking weapon.

Fa'afili also benefited from playing outside Gleeson too but he was already a successful NZ international before he joined us without Gleeson there. There was a Test a year or so before he joined us where Stacey Jones carved up GB with high kicks and Fa'afili got a hat-trick. He did get stick from the fans though despite scoring a lot of tries, probably because he came across as having a 'chilled'/casual attitude and sometimes looked like he was ambling about the field. It was an upgrade to move him on and bring in Hicks who was just as good as an aerial threat but brought much more.

Gleeson seems to be remembered as a better player now than he was at the time. When he left us, the consensus here was that he had been a class act for his first couple of seasons and then went through the motions a bit for his next couple of years, just turning it on in big games. Certainly nobody was complaining when TS shipped him out to Wigan soon after coming in. I remember it feeling frustrating that there was a narrative building of "Gleeson is on the decline" from his Warrington form and then when the end of season internationals would come round he looked top class again.

Fa'afili and Gleeson have a significant role in Warrington history though as it was their signing that first signalled an upgrade in our ambitions following Simon Moran getting majority ownership. If you had gone back 18 months earlier to that GB-NZ test where Fa'afili got a hat-trick and Gleeson was playing for GB, you would [inever[/i have thought Warrington would have signed those two. After we signed them, bigger names started to come.

Pretty sure Karl Pratt was playing on the wing for GB opposite fa'fili that day. That may go a long way to explaining his hat trick!

Yes it was Karl Pratt. Unfortunate defining moment in his career that, similar to Nathan Graham for Bradford in the Challenge Cup final a few years earlier.

Briers and Hodgson (amongst others) making opportunities for him.