So that's 3 more wins and a draw better than Wigan or Hull in the next 13 games. 4 more wins than Salford or 5 more than Cas or Leeds.

With away ties against Hull, Wigan, Leeds, Castleford and Wigan at the Magic remaining this is a tough, if not impossible, ask.

Yes it's tough, but, not impossible and this year with seemingly more teams capable of taking points off each other, 6th might still give you a chance of 4th

6th could if the gap was very narrow, you win every game and 4th and 5th have a slip of form for a month.

Yes if we win about 80 per cent of our remaining games we will probably make top four.

It's like with a government majority of only 17, Labour only needs a net gain of 9 seats from the Tories in this election to win power.

I only need to chop 5 seconds off my 100m time and I will be able to beat Usain Bolt.

In 2016, before the split, 4th was 28 points. We would need to win 11/13 (85%) to reach that. After the Super 8s, 4th was 40 points. Assuming we made 4th above we would need to win 6/7 (+2/2 for the GF win)

So by that analysis, to win the GF we have room for only 3 more defeats in the entire season remaining of 22 games. For a team that is averaging 17 points per game and looking clueless in attack that is just a dream.

Well anything is possible, after all leeds won SL from 6th, but realistically we are in a battle for 8th. Leigh, Hudds and Widnes look to be favourites for three of the bottom 4 spots and I guess we need to get above Wakey or Catalan to avoid the middle 8's. Interestingly we play Catalan, Wakey and Leigh on three consecutive weekends starting June 24th. There could be quite a few people watching the games from behind the sofa by then.

I said before the Saints game, despite losing 5 in a row, I wouldn't be surprised if we won our next 6: there's not a lot between most teams (even the mighty Cas aren't all that you know!). The striking thing this season is how many teams are going on 3, 4 or more game winning runs or losses (or both!): unlike in previous years, I expect there could be a couple of teams make some big movements in the second half of the year.

I expect us to get over Wakey, Saints and Catalans before the split. We need to be within a handful of points of 4th by then (though if it stays tight, that might mean being in 6th), then win 5 or 6 for the top 4. Personally I think we've left ourselves too much to do, and will likely end up 5th or 6th.

A lot will depend on the cup run, which we will surely prioritise, even at the expense of making the Super 8s. We've been incredibly consistent in this for the past 8 years, and I wouldn't be surprised to see us go all the way again this season.

One thing I'm sure about. If Wire make the GF this season, they will win it!

Its absolute delirium to think we can get near the playoffs..... we have a tough game against Wakefield who are a better side than us.

then we have Hull Away ...always easy that isnt it...??
A rejuvenated Saints at Home
Wigan at Magic who mullered us at home
then Leeds away.....

We'll be out of site with our creative attack, pacey backs, and blockbusting Forwards...
I dont Know why i'm concerned I really dont....

We've lost one of nine games away to Hull in the past 8 years under Smith.

Saints didn't look too rejuvenated tonight

Come on mate, you know how it is, all doom and gloom, you can't let facts get in the way of some good old negativity or pessimism.

Hull have Danny Houghton back from the side we battered 22-22.....and while you mention the "lost one game away to hull under Tony Smith"..Widnes had NEVER beaten Saints at home in the whole of Super league, so those fancy stats and previous results amount to nothing.. especially given the type of Rugby we play. cant you see we aren't that side that went everywhere and more often than not won....???

yes again your right with benefit of hindsight Saints didnt look rejuvinated last night although i thought a number of non knock on's given against them, cost them the game, but dont forget we were battered by that Saints side..... please explain that with a lol....



You can pop all you want on this forum but the fact is i dont boo players at the game i dont stage sit ins or write to the guardian, and they'll have my full support again this afternoon..... i most likely will moan at the standard of Rugby and the complete average-ness (!) across the park, but they have my support....

i dont expect us to win I guess we'll look at someone like Tom Johnstone and David Fifita and think they'd look good in our side.

However we should win they've played Cas and Wigan over easter and we played the bottom two easy beats with an extra day in between.

please wait till after todays result before coming on here all clever like..... you super super supporters...

I think we can squeak into the Super 8's, Widnes did us a favour beating Saints last night. We'll have to improve, our attacking rugby is cross, and we have zero ability to make a line break. That said, same could be said for most teams bar 3 or 4. The standard is pretty low in general, Widnes V Saints last night was a chore.

Regarding our immediate run of games, Hull are shipping points at home like it's going out of fashion, Saints are beatable, as are Wakefield. Leeds and Wigan though, i doubt it.

Sod it. Play in qualifiers. Beat everyone as Leeds did last year, that will save Smith and give you the winning mentality, as Leeds did. Next year top four. As Leeds have... Maybe

I personally would like us to get into the top 8 and finish the season leaving the fans optimistic for the following season as I have little hope of us winning anything this season barring a complete turn around in performances on the pitch we could have a run at the cc but that would flatter the shocking season we have had.

On a positive note a lot of the younger players are getting some much needed first team action. If they can perform at their best consistantly and continue to improve there's something to look forward to in the future, its the clubs job to bring in the experiance and quality to play alongside them

had ratchford not have had a great run of games at fb I would be tempted to go with him and Patton in the hb spot next season with livett to cover if we can off load brown that would be gidley n browns wages freed up and I'm sure that there will be others who will not be retained also giving us a nice pot to go shopping

I would be happy if we put our faith in the likes of t king Patton julien livett. G king n philbin I'm not convinced on philbin has improved a lot and worth keeping hold of g king ?? I don know I would look to replace him with an impact prop to tear it up for 20min even first choice cooper n Crosby are not of that style.

My list would be Watkins Marshall and creative half back cannot think of one rift now but there are some pretty big desision to be made with regards to player retention and recruitment for next season. I just hope we get it right!!

We're still on course for top 6 by Rnd 23 and top 4 by Rnd 30.
That form is cup winning. CC GF win double and I'll pick up £1800

Btw
I picked up £600 this weekend thanks to Wigan and Widnes.... and I was only a try and goal off £9.5k

Well I for one hope you're £1800 better off by the end of the season.

Just to win more games than we lose and see where we end up

no one in 5th to 8th positions at the split (RD 23), has ever gone on to move up into the top four.

in the previous two seasons of the super 8's those teams in 4th position at the split have had 28 points......

28


We are almost half way through the regular season and we have 9......!!!

To get into the top four before the split, just one draw and two losses would be allowed......

To then stay in that top four throughout the 8's, go on and win the grand final and also win the challenge cup on the way, That would be the greatest ever run of results surely....???

That would knock the '86 premiership winning team's end of season run into a tin hat especially as that was a superb team and the current one isnt....??

but Good Luck with your bet ....I'd question the odds you got.. as I'd want a couple of extra zeros on the end of the £1,800 you're expecting if that came in......

in fact in Les dennis style if that happens I'll give you the money myself.....
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I would just be happy not being relegated and the way things stand the middle 8s is a relegation we will no longer be playing in the top teir competition!! A grand final and challenge cup win would be a welcome bonus !!

It happened only last season. Cats imploaded.
Wire can take points off everyone from now till Rnd 23 and 4 off the Pies.
I'm giving Wire a max loss of 3 to make 6th and 3rd if we win every game, and Smith an OBE.
A top 4 at Rnd 30 is very possible from 6, it could mean your only 2 off 4th.

What happened last season. ??
The top four remained the same four but Hull dropped from 1st to 3rd.

Cats didnt implode they were 5th at rd 23 and finished 6th at rd 30.

The season before that was also very similar the top four stayed the same top four just that it was saints that dropped from 2nd to 4th by rd 30.

There is very little movement in the Super 8s as proved by Catalan in 2015. They hit some form at the end of that season and won 4 of their 7 super 8s games, the same as league leaders Leeds. Yet they moved up just one spot from 8th to 7th.

I admire your blind faith. .....its beautiful

I apologise my memory letting me down. I thought Saints charge and Cats flop came later.
Either way, it makes no difference if we are 5th or 6th at match one of the las 7 games providing we are up to 2 points behind 4th and scoring well will help.
It's all in our own hands that we finish 4th as a minimum.

Imagine the arguments about Smith in/Smith out on here, if we stage a miraculous recovery to finish 4th, and then get dumped straight out in the playoffs.

I'm happy for him to go wether we win the double or not, 2017 is the year of the mugwump.