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| Be a tough game. I worry about the physicality of our pack.
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| Toughest final of the 4 we've been in since 2009.
Saying that we've only been favourites once
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| I just hope both teams have no injury worries leading up to it, it will be a great game that I'm sure will go down to the Wire
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| Quote ="number 6"
rather pointless comments then about us losing to leeds, huddersfield etc! atleast we scored against hudds lol
what it does tell us when we play you, is that we can beat you!'"
My original point is that Hull are not a team full of Man of Steel contending supermen on an inevitable march towards Challenge Cup and Grand Final glory as some in the media and some fans seem to think. Despite being the best team in SL so far this season, they are beatable.
Hull have been the best side in SL so far this season, but we know better than most that being the best over the course of the season means absolutely nothing when it comes to winning meaningful silverware. We also know better than most that taking all the points from a rival in the regular season means nothing come the knockout games.
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| tbf most supporters are just enjoying the ride, most had us 5/6 this year and a good cup run, atm we are top and at Wembley so we are walking on air, yes our team is playing well and imo will give all teams a good run, havnt heard from our supporters calling us world beaters, but we are in the mix which is what most of us wanted, cant wait for Wembley and think it will be a great occasion
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| Quote ="Thelonius"Are we talking about the same Hull team that have lost on six occasions this season, including twice against Leeds and another against Huddersfield, or is this some group of unbeatable super humans also going by the name of Hull FC?'"
Bizarre that we've lost those games but lost only 1 from 11 against the rest of the top 5 and that to a last minute drop goal
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| Bizarre is the way these threads are going down hill so fast with negativity from all sides, the only thing that matters on 27th August is who has the best tactics, the fittest and most desire.
There will be nerves on the day on both sides, coping with that will be key. All this we've took 4 points off you and oh you lost to Leeds twice is mindless boiiocks.
Lets hope both sides can keep that element of ery under control in the stands. Here's to a great day all round
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| Cant wait for the final already. Although we are top and in the final, you wont find a Hull fan on here that would say they are 100% pleased with how we are playing. I think we go side to side too much without engaging defenders. I dont think we have an adequate number 6 - unless Abdull plays. Pritchard doesnt look fit. So there are issues to correct. Just hope you play Tom Lineham on the wing
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"Cant wait for the final already. Although we are top and in the final, you wont find a Hull fan on here that would say they are 100% pleased with how we are playing. I think we go side to side too much without engaging defenders. I dont think we have an adequate number 6 - unless Abdull plays. Pritchard doesnt look fit. So there are issues to correct. Just hope you play Tom Lineham on the wing
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Pritchard was a passenger on friday night, interesting there was a lot of strapping on his knee first half, which vanished second.
Whats up with y'alls 6 then? I thought the tuimivave plan was in force?
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Pritchard was a passenger on friday night, interesting there was a lot of strapping on his knee first half, which vanished second.
Whats up with y'alls 6 then? I thought the tuimivave plan was in force?'"
Seems that is the way Radford wants to go. Maybe the pre-season training at Centre has meant he hasnt had time to build an effective partnership with Sneyd yet, but Abdull stepped in for the Derby and the win against Salford and played well straight away.
Pritchard is being used in the middle rather than as an edge runner, which is what he was renowned for in the NRL. He was coming into some form, then went and captained Samoa and hasnt looked fit since. Saying that, his stats are pretty good, only a handful of games where he hasnt made 100m in a game, just being used incorrectly IMO
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| part of a cunning plan baldrick
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| The obvious thing against Hull is that your forwards have got to put a massive shift in. If our boys are making easy yards then Houghton and Sneyd will run the show and you won't get a look in. If however you can front up we do have weak links in defence. Minichiello and Fonua are like a couple of wrecking balls when they have the ball, unfortunately in defence they can get caught flat footed and you can get at them. I also think you need to think a bit outside the box in attack. We defend against structure really well, and will just mop up set plays all day long. If you can play a bit more off the cuff you should get some joy. Oh, and you've got to kick your goals, because Sneyd just doesn't miss.
Should be a great game. Hopefully the weather is good and allows both teams to bring their A games. Couldn't possibly pick a winner atm. In a normal game I would be fairly confident, but history will weigh heavy on our boys (and supporters) I just hope it doesn't get to us.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"The obvious thing against Hull is that your forwards have got to put a massive shift in. If our boys are making easy yards then Houghton and Sneyd will run the show and you won't get a look in. If however you can front up we do have weak links in defence. Minichiello and Fonua are like a couple of wrecking balls when they have the ball, unfortunately in defence they can get caught flat footed and you can get at them. I also think you need to think a bit outside the box in attack. We defend against structure really well, and will just mop up set plays all day long. If you can play a bit more off the cuff you should get some joy. Oh, and you've got to kick your goals, because Sneyd just doesn't miss.
Should be a great game. Hopefully the weather is good and allows both teams to bring their A games. Couldn't possibly pick a winner atm. In a normal game I would be fairly confident, but history will weigh heavy on our boys (and supporters) I just hope it doesn't get to us.'"
Did you see our attack on saturday, not to many tries from structured play going on there.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"The obvious thing against Hull is that your forwards have got to put a massive shift in. If our boys are making easy yards then Houghton and Sneyd will run the show and you won't get a look in. If however you can front up we do have weak links in defence. Minichiello and Fonua are like a couple of wrecking balls when they have the ball, unfortunately in defence they can get caught flat footed and you can get at them. I also think you need to think a bit outside the box in attack. We defend against structure really well, and will just mop up set plays all day long. If you can play a bit more off the cuff you should get some joy. Oh, and you've got to kick your goals, because Sneyd just doesn't miss.
Should be a great game. Hopefully the weather is good and allows both teams to bring their A games. Couldn't possibly pick a winner atm. In a normal game I would be fairly confident, but history will weigh heavy on our boys (and supporters) I just hope it doesn't get to us.'"
Big forwards, but wembley is a big big pitch, lots of room to run them ragged, move them around.
Go back to 09 when we were playing the giants, they were known for this suffocating defense and line speed at the time, first set, kick over in our 20 and went over and around them. Smith really does seem to know how to plan for wembley, that big pitch really does suit us.
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| Obviously Hull's strength is their pack and their game plan is to bully teams down the middle. A bit like ourselves not that long ago. the hardest thing playing against Hull is that its relentless. Their Bench can be just as big as their starting pack. that being said... they're big but they're not mobile.
Wire have the advantage of a pack with big men in it that are also athletic and mobile around the pitch. I'd expect us to used the size of Wembley's pitch to our advantage. shifting the ball by 2 or three men on each tackle. keep the big men moving and working. kicking will win us this final. I'd expect (or I'd hope to see) plenty of early kicks deep into their corner. Turning their forwards around and forcing them to make huge yards to get out their half. if we can get our line speed right and meet them quick their pack wont build any momentum. Getting them to kick in their own half constantly and we've got a good chance. Attacking wise trying to hit them up the middle will just tire us out more than we need to be. spread the ball either side, suck the centres and wingers in.
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| Quote ="moving on..."Obviously Hull's strength is their pack and their game plan is to bully teams down the middle. A bit like ourselves not that long ago. the hardest thing playing against Hull is that its relentless. Their Bench can be just as big as their starting pack. that being said... they're big but they're not mobile.
Wire have the advantage of a pack with big men in it that are also athletic and mobile around the pitch. I'd expect us to used the size of Wembley's pitch to our advantage. shifting the ball by 2 or three men on each tackle. keep the big men moving and working. kicking will win us this final. I'd expect (or I'd hope to see) plenty of early kicks deep into their corner. Turning their forwards around and forcing them to make huge yards to get out their half. if we can get our line speed right and meet them quick their pack wont build any momentum. Getting them to kick in their own half constantly and we've got a good chance. Attacking wise trying to hit them up the middle will just tire us out more than we need to be. spread the ball either side, suck the centres and wingers in.'"
I think that it is the mobility of the pack that is impressive about Hull. Watts, Taylor, Bowden have good footwork at the line. Also, see Chris Greens footwork at the line for his try against Salford last week. You then have Minichiello and Manu who are also good on their feet but fantastically strong.
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| Its very rare this season we've seen an opposition team drag their pack round the field. They've been allowed to play one up rugby straight down the middle. We're going to have to make them work. When they're under the cosh and made to move about their intensity drops off.
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| Clearly, as the league table suggests, the game is close to call as things stand right now. Both teams are capable of some scintillating play as well as the odd abject performance. Hopefully both will avoid significant injuries or suspensions in the run up to the final, and will be at, or very close to, the top of their game on the 27th.
For a while I doubted whether I was going to be able to make the game, but all that's sorted now, tickets are ordered from the RFL and I can't wait.
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| We would struggle to out muscle the hull pack but can out manoeuvre them. Withstand the early battles and take control of the game.
Its too tough to call if both teams turn up then we are in for one hell of a game. One thing is for sure is both teams are capable of punishing the other if they are not 100% committed or lose concentration. We must play the full 80minutes to win it
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| we will be up for it .we can leave kr speechless next year
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| According to wiki, pitch width is only 1 yard wider than HJ, but I must admit it seems a lot wider
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| I want to win both the CC and GF equally as much. Don't care that we've won the CC three times in the last decade, winning at Wembley is spine tinglingly good. If we won the CC and not the GF this season is still be chuffed with a great season, although disappointed not to win the GF. However if we lost the CCfinal and won the GF I'd be chuffed with a great season but disappointed not to win the CC.
I think both finals and the LLS will be between us and 'ull.
I don't mind Hull at all but I want the lot!
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| Should be a great game and atmosphere, according to the Hull website 25000 tickets have been sold already between the two clubs.
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| The much discussed charge down has become a bit of a rarity from our game this season... Maybe for this game we need to put some heat on Mark Sneyd to try to deny them field position.. He will probably kick early in the tackle count too.
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| Quote ="MikeyWire"The much discussed charge down has become a bit of a rarity from our game this season... Maybe for this game we need to put some heat on Mark Sneyd to try to deny them field position.. He will probably kick early in the tackle count too.'"
From the semi Tuimavave certainly struck me as a centre playing at stand-off. The player who dictates where the ball is moved to in the Hull FC side is definitely Sneyd and I agree MW, if we can pressure Sneyd then we are someway into seriously disrupting their gameplan.
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