I think if Hill hadn't done 70+ minutes last night we would have been facing a cricket score...he is a tireless workhorse with a deceptive step & turn of speed.

If you think Cutherbertson is a better all round prop than Hill then your deluded. Hill is Warringtons stand out player and as been for the past 3 years. If you want biff then go and watch Leigh in the championship. Biff puts players in the stand instead on the pitch, not what the modern game expects. You do spoil yourself duckie with these stupid comments.

Hill has been his usual excellent self but it's true he's been blunted this season. This is down to carrying the pack and the entire team at times. The man is knackered and deserves the rest of the season off. He also looks fed up with some of his teammates and who could blame him?

Not sure if I'm a "purest" (sic) but you do talk some tripe. He is a different player to Moz but his contribution is phenomenal, weren't you the one who said he should be injured so the club would know how much we rely on him?

For the record I don't think there was any lack of effort last night. What I saw was a bunch of players who are struggling with fitness and confidence. The fitness issue comes from all the injuries we have suffered this season meaning we have overplayed young players, relied heavily on a small group of senior players to work too hard as a consequence and rushed players back before ideally we should.

I don't follow you. Are you saying I'm talking tripe and then make a wide turn saying he is a different player to try and avoid agreeing Hill is not as good as Moz. Which is it? You can't have it both ways. Hypocrite

I'm confused too. Clark seems to be playing a very different game from the one he played so well last year, Ratchford is a great player but not at fullback and Penny, despite some of his shortcomings (which he has worked on) is one of the fastest players in superleague and I can hardly remember the last time we 'got him away'.

Is ratchford a great player? No certainly not great. He's a major issue for me, shoehorning him into the side causes problems. In a great side he's a luxury you can afford. If Russell were fit he'd be on the bench as cover for me or I'd be seeing if any club were stupid enough to buy him. Sorry but I've just NEVER got the hype over him at all. His percentage of good games must be somewhere around the 50% mark.

Ratchford has loose forward written all over him. It's up to him to bulk up, and TS allow him that opportunity. It's Ratchford's best chance of a international call up. He sure as hell ain't going to get called up at positions 1-3/4-6-7.

Last season at Cas, Clark was given more of a free role, often coming off the bench, to run at tiring defences.
This year, he has been asked to play a more structured game, and when Dwyer comes on, is often asked to play second row.
He is more than capable of doing these duties (even though he has been carrying injuries for most of the year), but it isn't utilising his talents to the optimum.

+1

frustrates the hell out of me... i just dont get the hype at all.

It's a +1 from me, too
I remember when the rumours were rife that we were signing him, and Salford were playing at the HJ a week or so later. I kept an eye on him all game, and he barely broke sweat, and I came away none the wiser.

Don't get me wrong, I'm nowhere near a disliker of him. I've just thought that he's
50% good to great games
50% emperor's new clothes

imo, if he's your cast iron full back in your side, you've got problems. Average under a high ball, at times he's turnstile-like in defence, but pretty good in returning a ball. For me, that's not as good as Stuart Reardon.
He's not got the pace of a winger. As a stand off, he's a poor man's Johnny Woods. Bang a couple of stones on him, and play him as an "old fashioned" loose forward. We don't HAVE TO conform to current trends, and have an extra prop @ LF.
Our play since MMonaghan/Briers/Hodgson retired is predictable, and at times, pedestrian. Get him further up the pitch, where he can be more affective.

Good sound reasoning, a few games the semi final in particular with the team unable to raise their game with a final at stake had all the hallmarks of a busted team, my reasoning is it's down to Tony Smith and his staff from coaching/tactics to fitness and conditioning.

Hopefully the latter will be corrected with Smith saying there is to be a major overhaul including back room staff.

Has he said this or are you hoping he will say this ?

There was an article on the Guardian website the other day saying so.

As GaryHulsefan said it's in the WA Guardian, quite a lot of changes.

No I'm saying he is a DIFFERENT type of player, not better not worse. As for hypocrisy, your opinions change with the wind. It's said if you put a hundred monkeys in a room for a hundred years with a typewriter they may eventually produce a Shakespeare play...I suspect it would take 100 Rubber Duckies a lot longer.

Interestingly this is a genuine mathematical scenario (the infinite monkey theorem), although the 'monkey' is a metaphor for random chance. Sadly, we would need a lot more monkeys though to even have a very low probability of producing a couple of pages of Shakespeare. Even worse, they would need trillions of times the length of the universe.

A funny post mind you.

Does this mean that if you keep giving Atkins the ball eventually he will pass it to Penny?

I think the theory W/O portrays is that we need a universe full of Penny's and an infinite number of Akins passes to him over the course of forever, and yes eventually a pass, better still perfect pass that gives Penny half a yard start, will be made....
That is unless the defence meets with the same criteria, then we'll still be playing until forever and Atkins pass to Penny will never happen.

Ratchford shouldn't be near a warrington shirt never mind an international one!

His route to an international call up isn't via loose forward but finding a serbian grandparent....he'd get on their bench I reckon

A bit harsh from you and Moe IMO.

Ratchford certainly deserved the shirt when keeping Hodgson out of the team not many complaints then apart from Mr and Mrs H. He has had better years than this no doubt, but, so has the team in general and not to have a position to call your own must be unsettling? I'd have him at Centre next season when everyone is available

There does seem to be a lot of "throwing the baby out with the bath water" going on. Test is were you anxious when it was rumoured he was going to Wigan...I was certainly concerned!

Fair point as you can tell the worth of a player if you'd worry if he signed for someone else. I wouldn't bat an eyelid if ratchford left. I don't think he's a bad player by any stretch just overrated, frustrating and not having a position is his own doing.