So glad there's not only me sees this sims can't break a tackle, don't make any in roads into the opposition , hills all on his own people are relying on sandow to perform but he'll need a bit of grunt up front to shine, Leeds forwards last night shown the way making yards and offloads.

totally agree thats why i cant understand wheeler playing joel to centre penny on the wing.fwiw penny would of flew in that corner

When the pic of Joel in w/c with a dog came out, was it TS behind the camera?

To who precisely? Who would take them?

Hardly fair the criticism of Ashton Sims on this thread, he is quality along with Hill, unfortunately they both have to go off at some point, but I think today I would have given Hill 60 minutes, he is capable. We are carrying too much deadwood in the squad. Asotasi and England are both a waste of a shirt. Wheeler? Why was he brought in for a game like this? Atkins? Seemed to think after his try his work for the afternoon was done and he could watch from the wing. Currie? Another player who went missing when we needed go forward. O'briens distribution was abysmal, I am losing count of how many times he is caught in possession. Joel Monaghan is still a quality finisher and has never relied on pace, I don't see a future for him at centre though so unless he will be on the other wing to Lineham next season then we can get rid. Only a few positives to take from today, Myler was brilliant, particularly in defence. Sam Wilde tackles everything that moves and we all save money on Wembley.

quid asiteasy
2 quid obrien
1.50 atkins
quid england
50p wheeler and we`ll throw in a stretcher..

or the lot for a fiver.you just pay there wages

He he

England would be a decent signing for a championship side pushing for promotion, GoB has many admirers from other clubs ,same with Atkins especially in Yorkshire ,Leigh would be looking to strengthen their squad if they make super league .
We should only be looking to sign players of the quality to be in top 4 teams

We had that thread at the end of last season. We Need A Quality Prop and a Halfback.
It was so obvious it was blinding but TS is too bloody stubborn to admit he got it wrong.

We didn't play well, but I disagree with some of the comments, especially on GOB and England, last season we were one away from CC and GF, the problem has been players that were bought in have not performed to the expected standards of the guys we lost,, TS and agar are not steering the ship in the right direction, and for all of briers passion getting involved, it's looking all a bit desperate and embarrassing , him coming on with water bottles and trying to influence the game,,

Really?

im interested to see what qualites either of them bring to a top 4 SL side trying to win a grand final.

What I'm trying to say,, if wire are e this season because of 3 player, Roy, England GOB,,, really, all 3 of them were regulars when we went 10 games straight on bounce last year,, the problem of this season is a lot deeper,, not just a poor season by 3 players,,,,

Last season they were passengers in a period where Micky Monaghan hit a purple patch and higham was also brilliant.

None of those 3 players contributed anything to that winning 10 game run... which had bridge and ratchford at 6 and 7 for most of (of god what have i done).

The point is GOB and England and ESPECIALLY asotasi offer absolutely nothing to this side..... you cant point at a purple patch in a season when we won absolutely NOTHING and say they are good enough for us.

none of those 3 are.

Dwyer has been great since coming back but today absolutely everything he did with the ball went wrong.

Doesn't make him a bad player though and the same could be said of many others.

agreed and when you add wheeler atkins and snail paced joel to those 3 you now know why we play average rugby and sit 6th in the league..

Your missing the point,, 3 players not good enough to play SL, is not the reason for poor inconsistent results, and looking clueless at times,, asotasi is going, england will prob go to cas and rejoin daryl Powell ,, GOB, will move on, and we will get our wish, but it will take a lot longer than the disappearance of those 3 till we win silverware,,

im not missing the point... im well aware that its not those 3 players that are the problem.

its Smith, his poor recruitment and his apparent lack of ability to coach us.

its ok though, as we won a few challenge cups a few years ago... apparently

BUT.. im willing to give him another season to see how it pans out.... if 8 games into next season we are still looking like a team struggling to get into the top 4 he has to walk.

Is Asotasi definitely not here next year? I wouldn't bet on that.

NO.... the club hasn't said he is leaving... which is very worrying.

If Smith gives him another contact he should be sacked for gross misconduct.

I nominate this for post of the week.

One player who I don't think has been mentioned in this thread and contributed to today's defeat,albeit by being unavailable, is Westwood. He is not quite deadwood yet, but it's clear his powers are on the wane and his indiscipline is becoming a liability.
I can't make my mind up whether he is worth a starting spot anymore.

With the poor depth of our pack, Westwood will always start for me.
I'd even play him at prop before Asotasi (who has just made the Bunnies team prop of the decade)! And England.

Joel Monaghan has been dreadful this season and it's hard to imagine him getting any better next season. The club needs to make the big decision and release him.

To yesterdays team, how much better would we have been with........
Sandow.
Lineham.
Gidley
Super Ben
Grix
Matty Russell
Rhys E.
Ben E