Please accept my apology. "Lefty" used to post assiduously on here and appeared to be a poorly educated, raving, communist. He promised to "splatter my face all across the HJ Stadium" as he disagreed with me once. Nice chap, mate of the liberal TANCW if I recall and frequenter of The Lower Angel. I oft go in there to meet him to no avail. I do hope his job is shortly outsourced to the nice, private, Dutch firm TNT and we finally get daily post delivered before 3pm.

I remember your 'spats' well, before I started posting on here. They livened up many a dull morning at work.

Where have the two afforementioned posters gone?
Are they spin-doctoring for George Galloway's Respect party

Last I heard TANCW was in Libya mopping the brow of the ailing Abdelbaset al-Megrahi, as for Lefty he was steadfastly refusing to deliver mail due to an infringement of his human rights to lie in bed, cranking one off shouting "Power to the People" to his beleaguered partner.

Thank you, Citizen.

Quote ="Wires71"Hope they were muzzled. Reckless owners if not. Probably only realise their responsibility when said dog chews a babies face off/kills child as they seem to do with startling regularity. Owner, probably unemployed, feckless then states in stupid bewilderment "but my Fido would not normally hurt a fly". news.scotsman.com/news/Baby-kill ... 4959159.jp'" People like you me right off, Staffs are not all like that it's how there trained, your just being stereotypical and tarring them all with the same brush. Will can all find a news report as well, [url=http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/208644/20110905/dog-kills-baby-texas.htmLabrador kills a baby[/url Staffs seem to be the in thing with chavs and it's these people who turn these once friendly dogs into savages.

Quote ="Wires71"Hope they were muzzled. Reckless owners if not. Probably only realise their responsibility when said dog chews a babies face off/kills child as they seem to do with startling regularity. Owner, probably unemployed, feckless then states in stupid bewilderment "but my Fido would not normally hurt a fly". news.scotsman.com/news/Baby-kill ... 4959159.jp'" People like you me right off, Staffs are not all like that it's how there trained, your just being stereotypical and tarring them all with the same brush. Will can all find a news report as well, [url=http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/208644/20110905/dog-kills-baby-texas.htmLabrador kills a baby[/url Staffs seem to be the in thing with chavs and it's these people who turn these once friendly dogs into savages.

One "staff" tearing a child's cardio vascular system apart (as duly evidenced by the report) is one too many in my opinion. You never hear of a cat doing same. They are by logical deduction lethal. I'm sorry if I you off but facts are facts. We do not have to agree nor make it personal.

The fact is they are an aggressive mammal and left in the hands of the sub-class (who incidentally can scarcely raise a child sufficiently well enough to attend school, read or write and respect law and order) they are lethal.

Why is it always these fatal/hideously marring dog attacks happen, almost without exception, within council estates? In fact why do most child abuse cases arise from the very same places?

Exactly, brought up properly, it's just another dog. Give the idiots a spaniel and they'd make it a fighter.

Are you really suggesting a Poodle and Rottweiler have the exact same inbuilt propensity and natural inclination to attack children/other dogs/other living things?

PS The article you quote refers to a Labrador mix, I see you failed to point that out in your debate.

Yes. Poodles were bred iirc for use by the French police and military. But the fact of the matter is, that no dog has an inbuilt propensity to attack. Of course, all dogs have a natural "prey drive", they are after all predators as a species. however, any dog, regardless of breed, that Is exercised properly, disciplined and socialised, will not cause a problem in a society as a domestic animal. The unfortunate thing is for staffies, is they are traditionally a working dog much the same as jack russells, and as with all terriers, have the inbuilt action to shake things, rats etc.. This is what causes the damage when one is left to it's own devices. Any dog is capable of causing death, but the issues surrounding staffies now, has already befallen rotties, alsatians, and Doberman as breeds, and that is, once the idiots get their hands on them, it's inevitable that incidents increase.

If we accept this, and I note you quote no scientific evidence to advance your claim on the similarity of dog breeds and vicious attacks, then surely the 'idiots' should be stopped from having access from "dogs capable of causing death". The feckless scum can scarcely look after themselves never mind society at large. I'd have them stopped from having children too, which they will no doubt abuse.

Ridiculous comparison debunking Timmy the Koi's argument of canine species vs potential danger to the populous. Which one is more likely to expose your trachea (windpipe) in your opinion? If you think the same, side with Timmy.

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Idiots shouldn't be allowed to own a dog full stop, you wont find an argument from me on that. I'm all for licensing for animals, but then again, I'm a responsible owner, and in general, I'm not the problem. Yes I have a staffy, who i had as a rescue dog from 1yr old, and he was a little bugger initially, however, three years on, and he's a fine example of howthe breed should be recognised. Proof surely, that in the hands of the right owner, these dogs are no more dangerous than any other? My sister has a cavalier king Charles spaniel. Guess which one of the dogs has bit people?

Well done, we can paste a picture of a shi-tzu or lahsa apso, and a picture of a Rottweiler. Incidentally, note the lack of intensity in the eyes and the relaxed ears on the rottie. Nothing more than a warning bark, certainly not attacking.
I accept your point, as ridiculous as it may be. On a serious note, is it dogs you don't like in general, or just specific breeds?

I got my staff has a rescue dog when it was 5 and the thing what surprise me about the breed of dog is how clever it is i was amazed when i seen it opening my living room door from both sides, i was even more amazed when it figured how to open it when it's fully shut i stood there in awe as it pulls the handle down with one paw then lent back too pull the door open.

Mine is not quite in that intelligence category, If he can't open it with his head, he's stumped!

he is dangerous though...I've nearly been licked to death everyday since owning him!

I remember watching Planet Earth on Wild dogs, amazing animals and to watch them hunt makes you realise how intelligent they are.

i for one resent the implication that shi tzu's are soft! my 3 are hard as nails, they have been often seen ripping poop out of my socks!

Well that's your own fault for pooping in your socks then...

we can all paste photos of seemingly cute dogs looking vicious heres a poodle thepoodleanddogblog.typepad.com/ ... 970c-320wi heres a chihuahua 3.bp.blogspot.com/_fOz-Hdyl81A/S ... aPhoto.jpg and other dogs looking cute how about a rottweiler t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9 ... x9Kv7hjsig heres a staffie dogs-central.com/dog-breeds/imag ... image2.jpg cos you can find a picture doesnt prove anything a dogs temperement goes down to owners

we can all paste photos of seemingly cute dogs looking vicious heres a poodle thepoodleanddogblog.typepad.com/ ... 970c-320wi heres a chihuahua 3.bp.blogspot.com/_fOz-Hdyl81A/S ... aPhoto.jpg and other dogs looking cute how about a rottweiler t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9 ... x9Kv7hjsig heres a staffie dogs-central.com/dog-breeds/imag ... image2.jpg cos you can find a picture doesnt prove anything a dogs temperement goes down to owners

I'd rather be bitten by a chihuahua than a staffordshire bull terrier if I had to choose. Common sense - sharper teeth, more powerful jaws, musculature.

i do agree with you in that the breed determines the capability but it is not the cause

Staffies have sharper teeth than chihuahuas? Really? I take it from the constant references, that it's staffies you have concerns over, and to be fair, the media love entertaining people like yourselves with horror stories. The fact that the majority of these incidents involve staff cross breeds, pits or other crosses, won't factor into the information you're fed. The fact that rescue shelters are full of staffs is heart breaking, and the image that you conjure up is the reason most will never be rehomed, despite being one of the breeds with the most consistent temperaments around. There are only two breeds of dog that the Kennel Club recommend for people with young children. One is the Chesapeake Bay Retriever, need I tell you which the other breed is?

Every attack on a child is of course totally unacceptable but they are so few and far between especially when you consider the number of dogs in this country. The benefits a dog can bring to a family and the important roles they play in society with out a moan, just a waggy tail, completely outweigh the negative
incidents. Shall we ban cars/planes/DIY tools because of accidents. No we don't. We just have to accept
that there are risks involved all aspects of life

I don't believe Joel would have let a Staffie near him.. ergo...case closed.

Are you sure its not some of the local talent you have picked up ? Most birds around Bewsey look like a cross between a stray and a Staffordshire Bull bitch.

I'd return them to where you found them before their boyfriends realise that their missing because technically its kidnap.