Goulding is average!

That's something I as Wigan fan harped on about all last year. Games we lost were because we were dominated down the middle. Thankfully we've corrected that this year by the signing Hoffman and Lima. Now although we'll be missing Fielden and Joel, two big meter makers for ourselves, Mossop and Prescott have really stepped up this year. We may well lose on Friday night, but I'm pretty confident it won't be down to being beaten by the Wire pack.

I'll have to disagree. You tell me who that Carmont is better than in the top 4 then. I don't deny he has talent but the teams I mentioned do need or want him.

Leuluai is a good hooker. But in the halves is very two dimensional. Again tell me where he is better in either the halves or as hooker.

We have 3 international hookers, Saints have the best British hooker in the world, Leeds have Buderus. HE wouldn't get an offer anywhere in the halves. Seems very average there to me.

You have three ex International hookers in your squad. McIlorum has been selected ahead of your two English hookers for the England squad.

My dad's bigger than your dad.

And my mum's bigger than your dad too.

(note: only those who know my mum will appreciate the humour)

For that reason... I'm out.

I'd love to see a complete neutral pro coach of the highest standing cherry pick Wigan and Wires' best 17 throw them together and see which 17 they'd come up with.
Then we could stop bickering, till then, pah.

....yes, by MacBanana

If McIlorum is any where near Test match quality, I will show my cute little bottom in any street in Wigan (on second thoughts...better not, eh)

How much is Leuluai on then?

Yet another Wigan hating thread on the Wire forum no surprise there then, There are NO "average" players in the Wigan squad I think being Super League Champions proves that we have the best squad in Super League we also have the best youth system in England, Wire also have virtually no "average" players hence back to back Cups to suggest a player who has Super League, 4 Nations & a World Cup winners medals to his name aswell as Grand Final Man of the Match is frankly laughable or Comedy Genius as you lot put it, Hansen average do ME a favour, Carmont wasn't very "average" in the World Club Challenge, Goulding Super League's 2nd top try scorer last year is VERY "average" notice no Wire "fan" calling Hicks or Riley "average", Ben Harrison has great potential but to say he is better than Hansen is VERY blinkered and people say we are the arrogant ones despite the fact our past History and last year seem to give us the right to be arrogant as we have damn well earned it after what we went through in 06.

You believe your hype, we'll believe ours

...and breathe

I bet I could pee over that wall at the bogs at Wakey's ground. Could you?

'And breathe' were the exact two words I thought of after reading that

I tuck their scoreboard. Beat that!

what do you want, a biscuit?

yea you're right.. VERY blinkered

Not a chance.

How is it a Wigan hating thread? Please elaborate. I love how you missed the massive amounts of praise heaped on Wigan. Just because somebody says a few of your players average, you throw a massive hissy fit. I also mentioned that quite a few of our own are. Get over yourself, get some balls an man up.

I think the only "average" players in Wigans team are Goulding + Deacon (ignoring Marsh, who wouldn't/shouldn't get in the side when everyones fit).

Leuluai isn't average but I just can't figure out where he should play. I rate McIllorum highly, he's a workhorse but his distribution is constantly improving, and he's got a handy kicking game.

I also genuinely don't think there are many better centres than Carmont in the league, I'd only have Bridge over him, and maybe King if he played in the centres + not the wing. I rate him higher than Shenton and the Senior of 2011.

For all your knowledge on Wigan, Rogues, you do come out with some crackers from time to time.

Solomona's stats versus Hansen's are also pretty impressive.

do you think Hansen is better than Harrison?

Kiwi's use him as a hooker now. They've tried him at half a few times and of those games that I did see on the box, he copped a lot of criticism from the aussie commentators, who's opinion of him is basically: He's a hooker, and a bloody good one, but not a half back. (ironically, much the same as many on here think about Monaghan).

Has Monaghan represented his country?

have new zealand got a shed load of scrum halves to choose from and a very narrow minded board of selectors?