well said dear chap

Be fair I have seen Westwood and Mathers deliver a few forearm smashes - and Mozza in his youth

I'm not bickering, I am looking for genuine debate, looks like I picked the wrong forum.

Which players do you feel are better than ours in the same position?

Fullback for starters



I think they are two very evenly matched squad really, barring fullback I think the 3/4 line is pretty even

Halfbacks, we have standoffs, you dont seem to at the moment
Scrum half, you will completely dissagree but I think this season both have been on a par, and both are key to making our respective teams tick

Forwards. You have Mozza who is simply superb, but we have Crabtree who is also superb, Mozza has done it before though so has the edge, but we have Mason and Griffin who are clearly dominant over your other forwards

We have better hookers and I think our second rows are equal but you may have a better 13

Most importantly though we have a better bench to my mind.

I would agree with most of that, I did a thread on here few days ago about who I think will cause us the most problems in attack for you went for

Brett Hodgson
Luke Robinson
Scott Moore
Leroy Cudjoe

What do you think? I would add Crabtree to that as well.

crabtree's games against us usually go for and against, i think we're due to slap him about this time iirc.

All of this thread is valid about who has on paper the better team, however I think it will mainly down to attiitude on the day of the individual players.

I'm glad we're playing wire, as you have some very vocal but genreally good fans to talk to.

We'll see in 45 hours time who was right!!!

Very true GL


Crabtree is massive for us in attack, his ability to pull the defence in cannot be underestimated, then he can get the offload out

One things for sure, if him and Mozza are lined up together in the autumn tests, there are gonna be fireworks.

An area I don't believe we defend very well either.

Crabtree is an excellent player who, as TCP notes, we either deal with easily or we allow to run riot. If it's the latter, we may well struggle. Not in the least bit concerned about Mason or Griffin. Obvious points I know but Hodgson (Aus) and Robinson will also be absolutely crucial. The Giants aren't where they are by accident and fully deserve their league placing which is way better than ours.

Hoary old cliche but we're going to have to play extremely well to win this game. That would ring true if it was being played on a park field, never mind Wembley. We'll get done, hugely, if we're anything other than bang on it and I'm expecting the Huddersfield team of my nightmares...

yeah mate they do have a track record but i think random high shots rarely achieve much other than giving away penalties and firing the opposition up

i wasn't actually criticising either about the wrestling moves...they are within the rules at the moment and although it seems a bit cynical to bend people's necks and roll on their legs, while they aren't outlawed whoever uses them nest knackers their opponents out most

I think its fair to say, both teams are going to have to play to their best to be in with a shout, and of they do, it will be a classic.