Yes you did, you said middles were big men then referred to Clark as a middle.

And yes you do sound contrary and a little disingenuous but you could always hit the lock button and kill the debate, again.

Different comic but I wonder if Desperate Dan fancies it, he’s a big man

He is a pie eater though.

Leeds pack better than ours? Our front row is as good as anyone in the league and streets ahead of Leeds. The problem we had last season was being completely clueless in the opposition 20. The forwards did their job getting us great field position, the 'playmakers' let us down big style. We need a new coach FAR more importantly than a new prop.

Firstly, please check your PMs.

Secondly, youve completely ignored the 2nd part of my post, he does the tackling, in the middle of the field, like the props/rest of the middle players.

We keep buying props, we buy old props, young props, established props, unknown props, big hitting props and technical props...............and then we play e when it matters in the playoffs or GF because Tony didn't like us being thugs and playing final footy and Price doesn't, well, Price doesn't like play offs seemingly (bar 201icon_cool.gif

To completely derail the thread...... who's our enforcer these days, our bit of nasty? Genuinely think Mamo was the last bloke to not accept being bullied by that pulling his hair vs Catalan's.

I think we need both in all honesty. I don't think it's the props we have starting it's what's in reserve thats the problem. Hill, Cooper and Philbin are great the rest aren't good enough. New coach and another prop would be nice.

Yet he's signed a contract extension with both Holbrook and Woolf there. They must rate him, Amor always does a job for me, he'd walk on to our bench.

Had to go back to 2013 as Amor and LMS have been there for years.

Paulo - so is that one dud forward signing in the last 7 years? That's not a bad strike rate considering we make one every season.

luke douglas,
peyroux (mixed opinions)
tasi (as we know)
vea
masoe
and manu

They've also signed some crap like shannon mcdonell, ryan morgan, and jack owens in the backs.

Every team signs some cloggers, its just that the grass is always greener for some.

Peyroux has been great for them. Had one bad season in his first year but since then he's been very good. Masoe was decent also. I'll give you the others although i think most of them went on to win a Grand Final. Their strike rate is definitley better than ours. It has to be - we have a bloke playing for us who wouldn't get in the Crosfields Team in Latu.

masoe was a slightly better sita, ten minute huffs and puffs

Peyroux is a perfect example of how a change of coach can get the best out of players. Saints fans wanted him out before Holbrook arrived.
Same can be said of Monaghan with us.
I don't see one player in the wire squad that you could say the same about under Price.

Lineham, Hughes have been better under Price than TS. Philbin and King have come along well under Price.

On the other hand, Patton and Currie have gone backwards.

I think Cooper & Clark have steadily improved also over the past few years also, although we are talking about international players here, they should have the quality to improve. Coaches like Watson seem to take average / cast off players and turn them in to very capable SL players by applying them to a suitable game plan & structure - That is where Price struggles.

Mitigating circumstances for Currie I would argue.

I understand what you are saying Sally.
There were people prepared to by tickets on the next quantas Jumbo back to Sydney for Monaghan and I think Saints fans had a similar opinion of Peyroux.
I don't remember warrington fans being quite at that level about Lineham and Hughes.
Yes, Philbin and King have progressed well in the last 3 years but I don't remember many sustained calls for them to be moved on.
I know that towards the back end of the TS era that he had lost the ability to maintain the levels of improvement that he achieved after the shock tactics at the start of his spell with us by shipping Gleeson out and dropping Briers.
In my opinion Price tried that sort of shock tactic by putting Atkins on the outer (straight after his spectacular bombed try against Leeds in Jack Fish corner) but that didn't have the same impact that moving Gleeson on did.

I think that’s the nail on the head. The sign of a good coach is when he constantly improves players and develops them into very good/great players. Under Price I’d argue only King and Philbin have improved. As you say Cooper and Clark are international players (one is world class) so there should always be improvement irrespective of who the coach is.

It's like if you take Jurgen Klopp at Liverpool for example. He signs decent/good players all the time (never superstars barring Thiago) with the likes of Mane, Salah, Wijnaldum, Robertson, Gomez, Fabinho, Jota, van Dijk, Alisson etc but has made them into brilliant/world class players and does it year on year.

Shaun Wane is another one who constantly improves decent players and develops them into really good players.

So. Rumours are that Widdop is going West tigers next season inAussie press

Already discussed on here matey, we've said he's not on our Radar at Wests as i think Brooks and Doueihi will be our halves next season. But if we could pick him up cheap we might not pass him up. So you never know

I see Joe Greenwood has signed for Huddersfield, two comments on that regard.

- If Watson can bring Joe Greenwoods performances up to his potential that many people have talked about, he will have done exactly what we have been discussing above, couldn't see Price pulling that one off.

- Watson was said to be very interested in bringing Josh Jones to Huddersfield again, but they now have Greenwood, McQueen, Kenny Edwards and Joe Wardle at least signed up for next year, would a move for Jones look unlikely now? Unless the move would include one of those players going in the other direction in a swap deal, Hudds look loaded for backrowers now. I think Jones would be a very good signing for us, but cap space would be the problem. Would BMM, Gelling, Patton & Johnson out enable us to sign Inglis, Mulhern, Butler and Jones? Seems pushing it, unless there is movement in the Widdop or Latu / Sita situations.

You never know but i doubt it unless we finally move Widdop and Latu on, has anybody heard anything about Livett has he not already signed somewhere else or have i missed an announcement? His contract with us ended this year didn't it so he's off our books aswell?

I assume he was already off our salary cap, as he was on a season long loan.

Not heard of Livett or Patton officially yet. Intrigued to see what is happening with the former as I think he's got a career somewhere in Super League

Yeah i think Livett has all the makings to be a brilliant 13, i thought Hull KR would have kept him.and i heard rumours of Salford picking him up unless that's a no go with Watson leaving?

Official now, Livett to Salford. Damn shame and in the same week as Johnson a fairly stark illustration of how we handle and develop youth.

[url=https://www.salfordreddevils.net/red-devils-sign-harvey-livett/Livett signs for Salford[/url

2 year deal.