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| Quote ="Saddened!"Sounds like a clear 2 game ban. You won't need him against Hull KR. They might trouble you at their place but nowhere else.
Russell would be more of a concern, he's looked excellent in the games Ive seen since his return.'"
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| Quote ="frank5613"Late high tackle possibility of a badly broken jaw, No nothing malicious??? we will be playing you again and who knows Carney, might have the cheek to hospitalizes your new halfback recruit! perhaps then your views will change............'"
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| Warrington outplayed Cas yesterday and if Westwood was sent off you would still have won comfortably. Every team on the day could rack up a score on anyone, yesterday was our turn for a good hiding. In saying that good hidings I can take good hidings that put people in hospital I can't
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| I see Luke Gale is perfectly ok.. just a bump on the head.
Basically he is on twitter apologising for milking the tackle.
It's ok Luke, we forgive you.
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| I was sat in the main stand so couldn't see where the contact was made.
However, it was very late and even a late tackle not to the head can cause serious injury as the player who has passed the ball has relaxed and has his back to the defender.
I think we'd all agree that we can't go back to the days when forwards would 'hunt' the opposition halves and try to put them out of the game early with late off-the-ball tackles, be they to the head or not. Whether this was Westwood's intention, only he knows.
I think he'll be looking at a ban if the video shows clear contact with the head, or if the tackled is deemed as a deliberately late challenge and is seen as a shoulder charge.
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| lets be honest.. now and again Westwood's brain switches off and he goes all captain caveman... This usually leads to him doing something stupid.
i didn't see what happened, but its sounding like a late hit, which resulted in an injury.. so he will probably get a few games.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair" now and again Westwood's brain switches off.'"
That is assuming he has one.
Would have him in my team any day of the week though.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"
I think we'd all agree that we can't go back to the days when forwards would 'hunt' the opposition halves and try to put them out of the game early with late off-the-ball tackles, be they to the head or not.'"
I'm not so sure the Pies have read that script!?
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"I'm not so sure the Pies have read that script!?'"
I think they prefer attacking the joints of opposition players as they are held immobile by the initial tacklers.
At least Westwood isn't devious and cunning about it.
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| Westwood is a thug and should be banned the blatant punch to green in the 2013 gf sums him up if anyone's head needs takin off it should be hes
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| Quote ="Dans_a_warrior"Westwood is a thug and should be banned the blatant punch to green in the 2013 gf sums him up if anyone's head needs takin off it should be hes'"
You've wasted 10-15 minutes of your high school holidays creating a user account just to post that? Scandalous. Shouldn't you be hanging around Spar shops asking people to buy you white lightning or whatever the Wigan alternative is?
Also, you can't really talk about Westwood when you have the ultimate grub in Ben Flower.
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| The way some people talk you'd think they've never watched rugby league before and have just been raised on football ,there's always been a bit of biff in league and every team needs players capable of dishing it out ,sometimes they get caught and cop a ban ,more often it goes unnoticed by Refs and fans ,get real this is a full on contact sport ,if you can't deal with it ,go watch footballers rolling around like they've been shot at every slight tap
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| I think the 2013 Wigan team at Old Trafford had a blanket instruction from above to injure as many Wire players as possible & win the match at all costs. A great indicator of the club's lack of integrity.
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| Quote ="ninearches"I think the 2013 Wigan team at Old Trafford had a blanket instruction from above to injure as many Wire players as possible & win the match at all costs. A great indicator of the club's lack of integrity.'"
Sometimes you have to get your retaliation in first
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| "be reckless, create chaos, mayhem etc"
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"I'm not so sure the Pies have read that script!?'"
I would have him no problem whatsoever.
A good hard honest forward. He takes a knock and gives a knock
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| Quote ="Cutter76"The way some people talk you'd think they've never watched rugby league before and have just been raised on football ,there's always been a bit of biff in league and every team needs players capable of dishing it out ,sometimes they get caught and cop a ban ,more often it goes unnoticed by Refs and fans ,get real this is a full on contact sport ,if you can't deal with it ,go watch footballers rolling around like they've been shot at every slight tap'"
I do think there is a subtle difference though.
I (and I doubt many others) have no issue with teams ripping into each other hard, particularly in the forwards. I love the physical contact and the spice it adds to the game. I don't have any real issues with a bit of "biff", but it has to be on level terms (ie there has to be a kind of "mutual agreement" between the players involved).
Some things are not "a bit of biff" and have no place in the game. These include:
1. Deliberate attacks to the head of players who are trying to play the game.
2. Late shots on players who have clearly passed/kicked the ball and who have no time to brace or defend themselves.
3. Attacks on already tackled players designed to damage the shoulder/knee/ankle joints.
4. Biting, gouging, spitting at other players, abuse of match officials (by players!).
5. By definition of the above, Gareth Hock.
Although I didn't see where the contact was made with Gale, from my perspective Westwood's tackle was late and Gale should not expect to be pummelled from his blind side long after he has passed the ball. This is not "a bit of biff" but action that can cause unnecessary injury to an innocent player. However, I've only seen it live and my perspective may be biased or simply wrong.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"I do think there is a subtle difference though.
I (and I doubt many others) have no issue with teams ripping into each other hard, particularly in the forwards. I love the physical contact and the spice it adds to the game. I don't have any real issues with a bit of "biff", but it has to be on level terms (ie there has to be a kind of "mutual agreement" between the players involved).
Some things are not "a bit of biff" and have no place in the game. These include:
1. Deliberate attacks to the head of players who are trying to play the game.
2. Late shots on players who have clearly passed/kicked the ball and who have no time to brace or defend themselves.
3. Attacks on already tackled players designed to damage the shoulder/knee/ankle joints.
4. Biting, gouging, spitting at other players, abuse of match officials (by players!).
5. By definition of the above, Gareth Hock.
Although I didn't see where the contact was made with Gale, from my perspective Westwood's tackle was late and Gale should not expect to be pummelled from his blind side long after he has passed the ball. This is not "a bit of biff" but action that can cause unnecessary injury to an innocent player. However, I've only seen it live and my perspective may be biased or simply wrong.'"
How outraged were you over the last few years when weller Harauki was going around hitting half backs on your teams behalf? take for example he smacked ratchford in the face in the play offs last year, deliberately after a break and he was already tackled?
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"How outraged were you over the last few years when weller Harauki was going around hitting half backs on your teams behalf? take for example he smacked ratchford in the face in the play offs last year, deliberately after a break and he was already tackled?'"
Though he was stupid and said as such. Penalty machine and banned too often, I wasn't bothered when he left.
I by no means think our players are angels (remember we have had the likes of Sampson and Hepi in the past too) and they would fully deserve banning if they put the safety of other players at unnecessary risk through foul play.
Player safety has to come above support for any club and I don't think the game is harsh enough on foul play. You only need to look at the paralysis of the player in the NRL to see the consequences of foul play, we need to deter players as much as we can to protect the game.
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| Quote ="Teessidewire"Now that really is a stupid post.'"
It was posted in the heat of the moment, and you have my apologies.
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| In the end , Westwood will be punished and has put himself out of a challenge cup semi-final , possibly first match of super 8s , not done himself or the club any favours
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| Quote ="Cutter76"In the end , Westwood will be punished and has put himself out of a challenge cup semi-final , possibly first match of super 8s , not done himself or the club any favours'"
I still find the system very frustrating, and not just this particular incident (I have said it previously lots of time if you had the time to look through my posts)
If Westwood (or any player) is banned for an on-field incident this indicates he should have been sent off at the time. It's almost the RFL's way of saying the referee got it wrong! With the amount of suspensions each year, that's an awful lot of foul play the referees are not acting strongly enough against.
Banning any player for the following game(s) is usually no consolation to the team who were actually damaged by his foul play through the loss of a player (in this case for 74 minutes!).
I would propose that one game of any suspension is served the next time the offender plays the team he committed the offence against. So, if Westwood gets a one match ban, it should be served next time the club he is playing for plays against Castleford. If he gets two matches, he should be banned for the following game (regardless of opposition) and then the next time he is due to play the team he committed the offence against.
At least this way the affected team have some kind of justice served for having the offence committed against them.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"I still find the system very frustrating, and not just this particular incident (I have said it previously lots of time if you had the time to look through my posts)
If Westwood (or any player) is banned for an on-field incident this indicates he should have been sent off at the time. It's almost the RFL's way of saying the referee got it wrong! With the amount of suspensions each year, that's an awful lot of foul play the referees are not acting strongly enough against.
Banning any player for the following game(s) is usually no consolation to the team who were actually damaged by his foul play through the loss of a player (in this case for 74 minutes!).
I would propose that one game of any suspension is served the next time the offender plays the team he committed the offence against. So, if Westwood gets a one match ban, it should be served next time the club he is playing for plays against Castleford. If he gets two matches, he should be banned for the following game (regardless of opposition) and then the next time he is due to play the team he committed the offence against.
At least this way the affected team have some kind of justice served for having the offence committed against them.'"
Depending on his ban and the Super 8's fixture scheduling you may get your wish.
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| Quote ="Thelonius"Depending on his ban and the Super 8's fixture scheduling you may get your wish.'"
Possibly, but my argument is more with the general system that this specific incident. I've said it lots of times - Rangi Chase on Brett Ferres and James Green on Travis Burns spring to mind.
I just think that the team offended against very rarely gain the compensation of the suspension. Indeed, sometimes the advantage is indirectly given to the rivals of the team offended against (for example if you have Huddersfield first up, they will gain the advantage of a player suspended for an offence committed against their closest rivals!).
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