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| Sorry but no one in Super League is fit to even lace Lee's boots for him.
To get a replacement we have to go big from the NRL.
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| Quote ="Mystic Yed"Thurston is probably the premier halfback in rugby league, i doubt we could offer him a contract that any of the other clubs in the NRL couldn't at least match.'"
I'm guessing that Thurston is probably on 400k when his sponsorship deals etc are added up.
We could not match that even if SL gave us a special dispensation to break the Cap.
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| Hull will also presumably be on the lookout for a '6' with Holdsworth having gone, so we'll be fighting with them most likely if we do go searching for a replacement from SL or NRL.
I think we'll stay in-house though, and that concerns me. I don't think O'Brien is good enough (personally from what I have seen for us and Saints). Saying that, I'm more than happy to be proven wrong.
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| Gutted as I am that Lee has had to hang his boots up, got to look at it positively and maybe it needed to change.. as it as Winslade's has already mentioned already last season Lee did drift a little during some games.
Don't think O'Brien has what it takes at the minute and maybe a season out would do him good.
Mick Monas could go back in and Dwyer coming in as replacement hooker??
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| Quote ="Hicks Is A God"Mick Monas could go back in and Dwyer coming in as replacement hooker??'"
Your Paul Cullen and I claim my £5. Not being funny but moving Mick to 9 coincided with us winning the challenge cup in 09 and continued to where we are today. There is not a chance on earth Tony Smith will move M Monnas. We have a bright lad in Russell who can play fullback and we have Ratch & Gaz O'Brien who can play at 6.
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| Quote ="WireWireWire"Oh woe is us. We'll be fine, have the faith, top 4 finish, CC semi final, and another grand final appearence will do me next year as the team rebuilds.
To be honest I feel like this is the time that O'Brien sinks or swims, throw him in at the deep end see what he does, he wants game time, here's his chance. We need a play maker, Ratchford isn't a play maker other than for himself, he's a one man band almost all the time. Myler is a runner and support player, one of the best, but he too isn't a play maker. We either need to bring someone in, or give O'Brien the spot, BIG space to fill, but it will be for anyone for years to come.'"
as already said can't argue with this.
GOB did well at saints this year and with our pack and players I think he could do a great job for us. Give him a chance to shine and then shuffle if need be.
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| Quote ="mark_m"Scurrilous rumours circulating that Thurston has been signed.....'"
Fantastic but I feel it's probably as realistic as the UK putting a man on the moon in a reliant robin.
Awesome if true but unfortunately i don't think its possible.
Would love to be wrong though
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| He will be difficult to replace, His replacement will be under scrutiny from the word go and I just hope that any stray passes or misplaced kicks will not be jumped upon by the wire faithfull. I hope that GOB will be given a go and that the crowd will not get on his back if he does not kick 3No 40/20's a game and put Bridge and Westwood through gaping holes every 5 minutes.
If we have to go down under for a replacement then I would go for Jarrod Mullen at Newcastle. Good player and can play in the right side channel. Looks like Laurie Daley doesn't see him fitting into the NSW team for 2014 but it still might take some booze fuelled indiscretion to get him to play in SL though.
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| Lee Briers is an almost unique player so he cannot be directly replaced. Even players like Thurston play a different style. I do think that O'Brien deserves a shot at 6 with Myler at 7. Monas, Micky H, Ratchford and Dwyer will provide the added creativity to make up for Briers's loss.
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| Squad numbers 6am tomorrow, should give us some idea. Suggests there's no more signings anyway, and also we're only going to have 24 numbers - likes of Ben Evans + James' Laithwate and Saltonstall possibly off on loan?
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| Quote ="garyhulsefan"Squad numbers 6am tomorrow, should give us some idea. Suggests there's no more signings anyway, and also we're only going to have 24 numbers - likes of Ben Evans + James' Laithwate and Saltonstall possibly off on loan?'"
I thought the same when I read the 24.
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| There is a spare 6 shirt.
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| Quote ="mark_m"There is a spare 6 shirt.'"
Maybe this was not expected and with marketing these days then there is no scope to move players around. It will be interesting to see the rumblings if we do leave the 6 shirt empty.
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| Quote ="Warrington Wolf"Maybe this was not expected and with marketing these days then there is no scope to move players around. It will be interesting to see the rumblings if we do leave the 6 shirt empty.'"
The rumour mongers on here will be rubbing their hands.
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| If chris bridge and ryan atkins are fit and stay fit, then next season we wont miss briers and we will sweep the board whoever plays halfback.
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| So, it's Ratchford and Myler at half backs?
That is soooooo 2008...
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| Quote ="Derek Smalls"So, it's Ratchford and Myler at half backs?
That is soooooo 2008...
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Hey Derek great to 'see' you bud, I thought you weren't the 'visiting kind'? You must be excited by your recruits particularly at HB to stick your twopenneth in here.
Exciting times ahead for you lad's thats for sure
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| Realistically Ratchford is the best bet for filling Briers boots not in terms of being the same type of player but as the key man and leader of the team.
Ratchford is not the complete boss that Briers was at the end of his career but in terms of ability he compares well to a younger Briers.
He is 25 years old now which Briers was in 2003. I'd put Ratchford ahead of where Briers was then. Briers was getting more consistent then but there were still a few question marks, I always felt back then that if we were under pressure it would show in Briers game - he'd kick out on the full or would start ranting at referees and lose some focus. He missed the second half of 2003 with an injury and we moved Appo to stand off and the team actually played better then with Appo there than Briers.
I think Ratchford is a cooler head than Briers was at that age, he is composed and won't get ruffled. I also think he's more of a natural athlete, running the ball he is a lot more damaging than Briers was. But he does not have Briers' fantastic kicking game which was already top class back then.
Briers went on a real steep upward curve from the age of 25 to 28 by his late 20s he was the best halfback in the league, so to match that Ratchford has got to really step up but with Tony Smith as his mentor he definitely could do it. At the moment with Briers gone Danny Brough is the best halfback in the game but I reckon Ratchford has more raw ability than Brough and can see him as the top man in the game in the next few years.
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| Forgive me for this but Briers not being in the squad could give the likes of Ratchford, Myler & O'Brien a little bit of a boost by not looking over their shoulders or paying to a way they think they should due to him being in the team. I know from experience that when a senior person moves on there is as always someone willing to step up, the issue is how they perform. We all should know that the likes of Briers at Warrington, Cunningham at Saints et al can't be replaced like for like. It's now down to Tong Smith to create a new beginning for Warrington and its a period I'm looking forward to.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"Realistically Ratchford is the best bet for filling Briers boots not in terms of being the same type of player but as the key man and leader of the team.
Ratchford is not the complete boss that Briers was at the end of his career but in terms of ability he compares well to a younger Briers.
He is 25 years old now which Briers was in 2003. I'd put Ratchford ahead of where Briers was then. Briers was getting more consistent then but there were still a few question marks, I always felt back then that if we were under pressure it would show in Briers game - he'd kick out on the full or would start ranting at referees and lose some focus. He missed the second half of 2003 with an injury and we moved Appo to stand off and the team actually played better then with Appo there than Briers.
I think Ratchford is a cooler head than Briers was at that age, he is composed and won't get ruffled. I also think he's more of a natural athlete, running the ball he is a lot more damaging than Briers was. But he does not have Briers' fantastic kicking game which was already top class back then.
Briers went on a real steep upward curve from the age of 25 to 28 by his late 20s he was the best halfback in the league, so to match that Ratchford has got to really step up but with Tony Smith as his mentor he definitely could do it. At the moment with Briers gone Danny Brough is the best halfback in the game but I reckon Ratchford has more raw ability than Brough and can see him as the top man in the game in the next few years.'"
A good synopsis by you SC.
I agree with all your points.
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| Not sure about Ratch being better than Briers circa 2003, on a par maybe. Remember Ratch is playing in a much better side than the one Lee was in 10 years ago. Really looking forward to seeing if he can make the step up this season.
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| Wonder if Ratch is happier with a 6 role than he would have been with a 1 role?
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| I think we should get Joseph Paulo particularly as the Wiggles have said he is going to have his face carved on Mt Rushmore.
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| Hopefully, whoever becomes our new playmaker will benefit from Lee Briers being on the coaching staff ,but i am sure TS will be having to work on a more varied approach to breaking down defences than the usually reliable Briers chip to the corner to produce tries. It will be interesting to see how Joel's average is affected by the loss of one of his main benefactors.
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