3 games only no messing about, don’t care if we play Saints Wigan whoever those first 3, we need to show intent from the go, fail bday in those games then he has to go so we bed a new coach in asap.

PS Saints have lot 4 games all year so if we lost our first 3 we would be massively on the backfoot even then

Gazwire says 5 years and anyone who disagrees is having a personal attack on him!

No, should be at least 70.

There have been improvements, not an awful lot; that could be attributed to the player turnround. But these collapses are a big concern and are a bit of a head scratcher at this stage. I would have expected us/liked us to have pressed on in that second half with some confidence given the 12 point cushion. I'm hoping that next season with a leader on the pitch such as Mcguire, that these occurrences won't happen. There are no leaders in our side with enough confidence to give the players a rollicking/gee up, and we desperately need that.

Someone else has mentioned the need for a proper directional scrum half - I think this would help too - though I'm not entirely sure who's available/suitable.

I'm still backing Powell but it's not easy after another collapse last night. There is a good coach in there, but we don't seem to be seeing much of it yet.

These dead rubber games were the litmus test - can Powell motivate players that HE has brought to the club to perform in matches where nothing other than pride is at stake?

You have your answer.

Doesn’t even make it to 2023 in my opinion.

This shouldn't even be a thread, he should be gone by now.

I'd say as an estimate not getting rid of Powell and appointing a new coach before next season will cost the club 2,000 season tickets for 2023

It really cannot be more than a few games. Bar the odd flash, EVERYTHING about this season has been truly awful. The dire rugby, the terrible defence, the frequent collapses from (often) winning positions. It's been a nightmare, and even thinking about the rugby we've been playing in attack makes me vomit.

Correct

The club need to do something to motivate the fans to renew their season tickets for 2023. Currently there is little or no motivation for renewing, the financial pressures on the majority will be a deciding factor as will the outstandingly poor 2022 season.

DP should get zero games in 2023 as the coach, we need a new approach. He and the club have done nothing in 2022 to encourage the supporters.

Hear there will be a season ticket for a quid and wolfie will be walking around golden square giving tickets away to games, which leads me to a question for uncle Rico we need a new rule for guess the crowd sine we keep getting inflated crowds with giveaways.

Being realistic we were decent in the first half, helped by Cas penalties. We spend too much time running laterally though & when Radford mustered his big guns for the 2nd half we had no answer to their straight down the middle play which gained Cas big yards on their sets of six. Unfortunately, keeping opponents in their own half has been a problem for us all season & beyond so our defence needs to be worked on. Defence really can win games.

What are the improvements?

Three things DP said he wanted to improve/change in his first interviews, how the team attacks in the oppositions 20, how the team performs under pressure, (alluding to how we had dropped out of the play offs / the team being soft), to get the HJ buzzing. Not direct quotes but I have gone back and read his initial interviews and these are recurring themes.

I would say we have gone drastically backwards in all 3. I dont think the announced players coming in are going to suddenly change this. We didn't lose yesterday because of lack of go forward, we dominated possesion / field position and couldn't score in the oppositions 20. Since the first couple of rounds we have continually collapsed when put under the slightest bit of pressure. The HJ is booing not buzzing. I can not think of a single thing that has improved or gives hope for the future.

Don't get me wrong I would love for DP to succeed and be the messiah, but I have a sinking feeling he is out of his depth. I think he should have gone mid season, if we lose the first 2 or 3 next season that should be him gone.

Perfect summing up from Leikvoll. In each area he has stated he would improve has got a LOT LOT worse and this cannot all be attributed to teething problems/bad apples etc - there are absolute basics he could've been coaching even to 17 players that had just met that just isn't happening. It's a confused mess and I could see the argument for persevering for a while but we need to make the sacking now. Not a hope in hell we'll improve anywhere near enough to make the play-offs next season.

He's a terrible fit for our club, cut our losses and let's not waste anymore time.

Be interesting to revisit that video the club put out on social media to see what the results of the season look like against the statements contained.

The Leeds and Castleford games have better elements for example, a fight back of sorts in both games, and we have
partially capitulated in both rather than fully capitulate with no fight back. The line speed sounded like it was better first half yesterday. These are improvements.

But I agree with pretty much everything you've said in your post.

Whilst I do believe or hope we will be a much better team next year. I agree 6 games is the longest we should give Mr Powell next season. If we god forbid get more of the same (which I don't think we will) I would really question wether to bother with my season ticket. I'm also hoping DP will show Matautia how to run forward and not sideways and even to pass to his winger, or am I asking to much.

I see what you mean, but I would judge improvement against the point at which he started from and nothing, not one single thing is better at the moment after a full pre season and a full season in charge. I couldn't even pick out 1 player and say they run better lines, kick better or keep to the defensive structure better.
Perhaps they all spend more time training now and less time on outside interests, but that actually works against DP as he has had more time to work with the players than previous coaches. More than anything I want you to be able to say I told you so to everyone Gazwire, but it's tough to keep faith at the moment.

Actually I'll give you 1 thing a small positive, Matt Duffty looks like he has come here to play and after that chase back looks committed and here to get stuck in.

He seems to have got Bullock playing well, I'd say that's about it.

I actually think that's more to do with signing 4 new out and out props for next season and maguire who can also play there. Fair play to him for responding the way he has. Bullock clearly wants a shirt next season and is displaying a good attitude and work rate. I don't think that's got much to do with Powell really.

Compared to last year, we are a poorer performing side. With all the changes, I didn't really know what to expect - it's been undoubtedly disappointing. So when I say improvement, it is from the lowest point of our form curve as I've allowed Powell that grace to restructure the squad.


On the plus side, I've been spelling 'disappointing' correctly after years of misspelling and years of spellcheck intervention. Thank you Warrington RLFC for enabling me to practice spelling words, such as this, with great frequency.

How long in 2023? I don't want him managing here for 1 single minute of 2023. He needs his contract terminating now. Not 'lets wait and see after 6 games next season'. NOW.

The man has utterly butchered the club from top to bottom. As for his diddy sidekick Ryan Sheridan, get him working on the waltzers where he belongs, useless tramp.

Can guarantee next year when season ticket sales dwindle once again that the cost of living crisis will be blamed and used as an excuse for dreadful crowds. But we all know that won't be the reason. The reason will be clear, Daryl Powell. Utter clown.

The thing for me with this, when we (albeit very rarely) broke from the “structure” and “percentage” play of Price, often late in a game when it was gone, this was pointed to be a player led style change, moving away from the instructions of the coach.

Now, it’s difficult to see whether the comeback/strong starts are player led or coach led, and when the capitulation comes, whether that is a player(s) have moved away from the brief and let down the system or whether the system itself has failed the players.

Price, to his credit, got the players playing a clear and identifiable style. I didn’t like it, didn’t agree with it as a paying fan, but it was evident. I can’t see that same following of clear instruction or clear instruction being given by this regime.

Caveat as always, bad apples, them’s the breaks, injuries, grumpy fans…