But Waney thinks the moonlight shines out of his

What got on my nerves, and has been for weeks is this Wigan scrum trick with the head and feed. They got the ball and as soon as the scrum packed down I called it, penalty. Boom, whistle goes. Why aren't they getting wise to this (opposition aswell as refs)?

The whole 'stick a man on the floor between the PtB' is getting ridiculous too as others have said.

And McIlorum would go looking for a fight in an empty house, the man is just scum.

We love Micky Mac but always hated Les Boyd.

McIlorum is a hateful little ***** who is inexplicably rated by some within the game.

Can't stand the way Wigan play the game as well, all started with Maguire and clearly Wane has the same coaching manual.

Funny how many players get knee and ankle injuries playing against them.....

Shoulder charge

What was it then?

It was a late hit/contact. There was no shoulder involved.

What backside put Ganson in charge of referees?

I wouldn't put him in charge of the school tuck shop.

Some one posted a video of wires widnes 1985 ...I defy anyone to say the game has moved on for the better.

Thirty years on our games core skill is slowing the play the ball. .....

Well the gamecan just Love off.... its absolutely garbage and a simpleton is in charge of it.

Ganson as a ref missed loads and people confuse that with letting the game go. Gypsies could have set up camp on the ten metre line last night and Bentham wouldn't have spotted them.

A close and exciting game but standards all round were poor.

So he made contact with what then? His face? His backside? Seriously lol

Would agree with a lot of your fair comments, but as you say he did miss the Sarginson pull off, but having said that it was hardly on a par with the Wood incident in respect that at least wire did get his error put right on the Sarginson one.

Question 1 : Have you actually seen the incident?

Question 2 : Do you know what part of the human body the shoulder is?

If the answer to the above two questions is yes then I cant see what the hell you are questioning

You really are a whopper.

You make a tackle with shoulder contact then hit and stick. McIlorum made no attempt to complete the tackle.

Answer the question; what did he use to make contact? Simple question, simple answer.

How can it be a shoulder charge when he didn't use his shoulder?



It was a check, he didn't turn his body at all. He ran straight towards him and hit him facing forwards on which would have been a perfect tackle had he still got the ball. The ball had gone and he got there too late hence he will have to possibly answer a charge for a late hit.

If you honestly think it was a shoulder charge then you are letting the defeat cloud your judgement or you don't have a clue.

Exactly! Answer your own question what did he make contact with that seems to be so vicious to you! When I got home I looked at it again and I’m not saying it was a bit of nowt, but it wasn’t as bad on his part as some are trying to make out.

I think what Mark is trying to say is , Whats the part of your body that connects your neck to your arm ? Thats the point that made contact ?

come on, Pellisier and Elima are way dirtier

The part of the eye that is connected to the brain doesn’t seem to be making contact in some people. Bad tackle yes, shoulder, no.

Pains me to say it but it wasn't a shoulder charge.

Semantics.
It was a late tackle that caused a player to be stretchered off with a whiplash injury.

McIllorum has plenty of previous for this.
I was wondering why nobody has ever "snapped his pole", as I believe these attacks to the legs are known within the Wigan camp, but then realised that he hardly ever gets tackled.
Just four carries last night.

It's the hardest sport on the planet and opportunities are plentiful to hurt your opponent within the laws of the game.
McIllorum should have been brought to account by the Disciplinary a long time ago.
I'd have no qualms about this particular individual being served his justice on the pitch by the method of his own conduct.

And this isn't sour grapes, Wood should have seen red and that wasn't the only decision that went our way last night.

I would love to know about this tackle technique that involves making initial contact with something other than the shoulder. Clearly it must be a Wigan thing.

How many knee and ankle injuries occurred last night, Marky Mark?

Ben Harrison: knee ligaments
Chris Bridge: ankle

Two of our most influential players. Funny that.

Were these caused by cannonball tackles? If so do you know when in the game roughly?

I like the way they operate with ball in hand, organised but creative. But I echo your sentiment regards their tactics without the ball. But they are essentially doing something which all teams aim to do - slow the play the ball down and control the ruck, they just do it better than most, sometimes with tactics within the rules, sometimes borderline.

Wigan seemed to have cleaned up the third man in late chopping at the joints but it appears to be back now with a vengeance. Shocking that something is being done on the field that can injure a fellow professional.