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| Quote ="Winslade's Offload"I am also seriously confused. After a cup of tea and two Werther's Originals I have come up with two possibilities. Either Hudds are going to 'render us a service', or we can not play him because of the salary cap.'"
I too don't 'get it' Chaz, but, not much change there, you don't think Dwyer is a spy do you?
Perhaps TS wants him to have some SL experience before a recall to quicker than anticipated First team opportunities here due to the form/fitness of our current '9's?
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| Quote ="Uncle Rico"I too don't 'get it' Chaz, but, not much change there, you don't think Dwyer is a spy do you?
Perhaps TS wants him to have some SL experience before a recall to quicker than anticipated First team opportunities here due to the form/fitness of our current '9's?'"
I know you are toying with me, which is a shocking way to treat old age pensioners, but there seems to be more in this than first meets the eye. Dwyer could easily have played in the Bronco's game at home and the Keighley match in two weeks. And playing for Hudds means he will definitely miss the game against Wire. So how much extra SL game time does that afford him in those 4 weeks ? In fact, it deprives Monas or Higham of a rest as well.
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| Quote ="mark_m"Huddersfield= a team full of hookers.'"
East Lancashire Rowing club= Team full of oars !
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| Quote ="Winslade's Offload"I know you are toying with me, which is a shocking way to treat old age pensioners, but there seems to be more in this than first meets the eye. Dwyer could easily have played in the Bronco's game at home and the Keighley match in two weeks. And playing for Hudds means he will definitely miss the game against Wire. So how much extra SL game time does that afford him in those 4 weeks ? In fact, it deprives Monas or Higham of a rest as well.'"
Charles I'm certainly not toying with you at all despite your pants pockets being full of Werthers ALLEDGEDLY It really does seem a bit odd when you consider our own form in the 'ooker department and the glimpse of promise that Dwyer has shown thus far.
I agree that surely there is something going on that we mere mortals havent grasped yet
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| The club really doesn't know how to develop pivot positions forr some reason. Expect the 6 and 9 positions to be brought in from elsewhere as they have done with 1, 6, 7 and 9 previously.
There are games Dwyer could have had a run with us instead of being loaned out.
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| Obviously Smith isnt looking to break up the Monaghan/Higham combination in the next month. In which we will play Wakefield, Keighley, Bradford, Huddersfield.
If he features a couple of time for Hudds, then its valuable SL experience that he obviously wasn't penciled in to get at warrington.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"Obviously Smith isnt looking to break up the Monaghan/Higham combination in the next month. In which we will play Wakefield, Keighley, Bradford, Huddersfield.
If he features a couple of time for Hudds, then its valuable SL experience that he obviously wasn't penciled in to get at
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I would agree with that. But with two ageing hookers, both of whom have contracts ending this year, you would have thought there is some urgency in playing Dwyer (in less demanding matches) to bring him on as a possible replacement. Perhaps there is truth in the rumour that we are buying Clarke.
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| Quote ="Winslade's Offload"I would agree with that. But with two ageing hookers, both of whom have contracts ending this year, you would have thought there is some urgency in playing Dwyer (in less demanding matches) to bring him on as a possible replacement. Perhaps there is truth in the rumour that we are buying Clarke.'"
There has to be another hooker coming in if Higham leaves.. If Smith was planning to have Dwyer as a regular in the 17 next season, he would be getting game time this season against teams like Wakefield and Keighley... Not going out on loan.
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| According to the video interview with TS on Warrington Worldwide Brad had a slow start to the season, and the current Higham/Monaghan set up is working well meaning he can't get into the squad as it stands. Make of that what you will!
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| Quote ="Ganson's Optician"According to the video interview with TS on Warrington Worldwide Brad had a slow start to the season, and the current Higham/Monaghan set up is working well meaning he can't get into the squad as it stands. Make of that what you will!'"
Yes. Perhaps TS is loathe to bring in a 'new' player because he want's to get consistency from the current team first. ?
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| Quote ="Barnie"Dwyer and Shaw mixed up! Blimey, Dwyer is twice the player Shaw is.'"
No idea why, but always get the names the wrong way round!
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| or maybe Dwyer isn't as good as either of the other two.
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| Quote ="The All New Chester Wire"or maybe Dwyer isn't as good as either of the other two.'"
Has he really been given enough chances to show it though? Or are we giving up on another young player in what is a key position?
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| Quote ="Winslade's Offload"Perhaps there is truth in the rumour that we are buying Clarke.'"
After recent form I wouldn't object to us buying JON Clarke.
Okay I say that with tongue in cheek, but from what I've seen he's been in great form at Widnes.
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| Has Dwyer's form at Swinton been good enough to warrant replacing either Higham or Monaghan in the team? When I've seen Swinton play it hasn't been.
What have others made of his performances, perhaps I missed something.
I'd hardly call sending a 19 year old out on loan to a Super League club for a month "giving up" on a player.
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Has Dwyer's form at Swinton been good enough to warrant replacing either Higham or Monaghan in the team? When I've seen Swinton play it hasn't been.
What have others made of his performances, perhaps I missed something.
I'd hardly call sending a 19 year old out on loan to a Super League club for a month "giving up" on a player.'"
Exactly Paul, well said mate. People seem to be reading a lot more into things that are happening than they need to. A couple of recent setbacks has sent some into panic mode!!!
Getting a month at Huddersfield will do Brad the world of good and we will benefit from that in the long run
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| and well said, Walter. The voices of calm are making themselves heard.
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| Quote ="Ganson's Optician"According to the video interview with TS on Warrington Worldwide Brad had a slow start to the season, and the current Higham/Monaghan set up is working well meaning he can't get into the squad as it stands. Make of that what you will!'"
I was referring to this when commenting. Hardly sounds like a vote of supreme confidence and neither does loaning out a player when we have games coming up he could play in.
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| What I'm struggling with is why have Huddersfield taken him? They have Shaun Lunt and if he got injured I'd have thought Robinson would revert to hooker. So Dwyer is unlikely to get first team action, in fact at the moment he's more likely to get it at Wires.
The obvious conclusion is Huddersfield want to have a look at him with a view to a permanent move, and Wires are happy for them to do so which I think is a great shame ................. can't see any purely footballing reasons for the move, personally.
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| This is what I am struggling with;
Huddersfield are a top side this year, and as pointed out, they are not desperate for a hooker. So if they are happy to accept Dwyer, then they must be more than comfortable that he can perform at a high level in SL. Presumably they must have looked at him, at least on video. They are not going to accept someone blind. So why haven't we played him ? Both Monas and Higham played a full game each to see them through the extra game over Easter. Dwyer could have played against London to provide this cover. Then we have Keighley coming up - another good opportunity.
So what is the logic ?
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| He's in their 19 man squad for their next match - has he been in any of ours this season?
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| Quote ="worthing wire"He's in their 19 man squad for their next match - has he been in any of ours this season?'"
No. Clearly he is more highly rated by others.
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| What is this love in for Brad Dwyer?
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| and why are people jumping around it's not like he's the first to go on loan?
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| Quote ="The All New Chester Wire"What is this love in for Brad Dwyer?'"
Looking through the posts, I think you are the only one who has mentioned a 'love in' with Dwyer. Unless you would like to cite the post where you picked this up from ?
Dwyer is still a fringe player. He may make SL, he may not. His ability is not the issue, it's the rationale behind the move.
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