He could have picked Myler at prop, Waterhouse at fullback, Ratchford at loose, Westwood on the wing. No one looks settled, and granted it's one game but Roy Asotasi is no Morley or Carvell.

No platform from the forwards, zero penetration from the forwards.

God it does look like we'll miss Lee and his organisation.

Oh yeah, playing Monaghan at 7 helped contribute to the sacking of two managers. He's a ing hooker.

I'm just glad Masoe wasn't playing otherwise St Helens would have had to declare.

Utter tripe. Shocking. Can't believe what I've seen. Going to be a long season and a lot of hard work needed. No build up of pressure. No real team desire in defence. Waste of a night.

no desire from there forwards, that attempted tackle at the end proved it. How does a bloke of waterhouse's size get trampled like that? also don't think you have that beef in the middle like you did last season. but wood and harrison will help with that.

Bring on the wire wiiiiiiiiiidnesssssssssssssss will be ready cant wait

Glad I didn't go.

Well Have to say didn't expect that. Don't think Wire will do much this season, but that was woeful. Shaun Wane will be laughin his socks off now after worrying about what warrington told the aussies and the aussies must be thinkin did we really listen to them ??????

Hey at least its your year!!

Absolutely shocking. No leader at all, no organisation. No grit going forward.

Asotasi for me is a waste as he's done naff all. Might be his 1st game but look at the impact Kyle Amor & Luke Walsh had. Hill, Westwood looked lost. Atkins for me can f**k off to Rugby Union. Riley out of position as always.

Tactics were all wrong as they always are when playing Saints at the HJ. I really do hope it was a one off tonight.

How did Soliola stay on the pitch? I was waiting for Bentham to send Waterhouse off when he got penalised for an high tackle.

Agreed, but perhaps the most damning verdict is Saints would still have won with 12.

London would have won with 12!

In the same boat as Widnes then.

Waterhouse worked his socks off in defence all night he was knackered

For me the problem players tonight

Riley ...... terrible
Atkins --- went missing
Bridge .... went missing until 10 mins from end
ratchford Terrible
MMonas Is a Hooker nothing else and never should be anything else Smith should know better
Myler Lost no direction kicking shocking
Benny Saints snuffed him out

Riley.....always the scapegoat.

Thought O'Brien looked good at times.

Totally agree should have started utilising M Monas at dummy half as usual

for me Obrien needs to start next week however depends on Russel being fit to release Rathford into the halves

Questions must be asked of Tony Smith. Who in their right mind would pick MM at 6? Crazy.

He's mentioned 6 other players besides Riley so he's not really a scapegoat is he?Should have mentioned all the players as none of them stood out.

Bridge ?
Your joking right.
Bridge Hill Higham and Joel were the only players that I could give credit.

Can't believe nobody has mentioned Bentham's performance yet. Wire were appauling but the ref was shocking

He wasn't that bad and he didn't spoil the game. Wire did that.

I expected you lot to win, but you ended up being totally owned by Saints tonight.


Warrington are not a big club.

We will see Widnes will hand u your asses again this year like we did twice last year

Bring on the wire cant wait

So what did we learn in that match.

[i1. Mike Monaghan isn't a half back in the memory of man.[/i
Frankly everyone in the North(bar Tony Smith), South and East stand (and even a straw poll in the West) could tell you that.
'Hey Tony, 2008 just called, they said can they have their coaching manual back'

[i2. Big men don't necessarily make dominating forwards.[/i
Chris Hill close your eyes, you were fine but Riley for such a big guy doesn't ever look like pushing through the first hit up, Evans seems light weight and the only thing Waterhouse breaks, is a sweat.

[i3. Asotasi isn't a Morley, hell he isn't even a Carvell[/i
If someone sees him, could you point him out to me, i don't think he played yesterday.

[i4. Westwood isn't captain material[/i
At times he doesn't have enough brain power to keep himself in check, how does he become someone who i wouldn't trust to be responsible for just himself to being responsible for 16 other men?

[i5. Lee Briers has retired, can someone practice open play kicking in training[/i
That's just a depressing fact, Monaghan has the precision of a doctor using a JCB to do open heart surgery.
Ratchford, just keep him at lovin 6 for a season if you think he's our long term replacement, let him build up a relationship with Myler and stick Evans or Riley at 1 when Russell is missing.
Gaz O'Brien, stop wasting your time at Wire mate and put a transfer request, most of us want you here but i can't see you getting the time to develop here.
Myler, you do know it's not five a side football, if you kick a ball above head height you won't get penalised for it, there is another option not called a grubber.
Bridge, ignore this bit, just remember lad, feet are for running.

[i6. Mouths are useful tools, you can communicate and everything with them.[/i
Ryan meet Chris, Chris, this is Ryan you'll be playing on the same wing together...oh by the way you'll need to speak to each other, we find it helps in those positions.

You can't write Monaghan off after one game.....didn't we win the Challenge Cup with him at halfback at Wembley?



Now that Briers has gone Monaghan has the chance to step up

I hope that last nights game show Tony Smith that he has a lot to do, no leaders on the field, until GOB appear a poor kicking game, Asotasi was he out there last night, every thing was panic rugby with the only thoght to kick towards Joel M. Its painful but Stains deserved that win they wanted to play our lot were looking like "big time charlies" just expecting to win. Lets get players playing in there correct positions ie GOB in half back and Monas at Hooker for a start. Without the platform of recent years Myler will look very ordinary this year.