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| Quote ="slimwire66"why make an impact on what some members of the BNP consider accepable behaviour, irronically i wonder how we'd cope without all the black, asian and foreign doctors, nurses and health care proffesionals?
if a BNP member became ill and the consultant/surgeon was black and the only person who could treat/save him would he refuse treatment?'"
I am not a BNP supporter, however for the purpose of informed discussion, their stated policy is concerned with controlling the levels of immigration both caucasian and otherwise which by all main political party's admission is out of control. They also wish to facilitate non-caucasian British citizens to return to their country of ethnic origin should they so wish.
So in answer to your question no, the BNP member would not refuse treatment from a black consultant. In addition you may like to consider that some BNP members are non-caucasian.
Furthermore I do not recall the BNP having a policy which condones sexual offences. I think you may have made that bit up.
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| Quote ="Wires71"I am not a BNP supporter, however for the purpose of informed discussion, their stated policy is concerned with controlling the levels of immigration both caucasian and otherwise which by all main political party's admission is out of control. They also wish to facilitate non-caucasian British citizens to return to their country of ethnic origin should they so wish.
So in answer to your question no, the BNP member would not refuse treatment from a black consultant. In addition you may like to consider that some BNP members are non-caucasian.
Furthermore I do not recall the BNP having a policy which condones sexual offences. I think you may have made that bit up.'"
The most racist people I have ever met have been non-caucasian. Absolutely no contest.
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| Quote ="mark_m"And with regard to the NHS, why shoud healthcare be a free option for all. Somebody above mentioned drug users as an example; why the **** have I worked all my life to pay for people who deliberately abuse themselves? Thye should be bloody sent a bill.'"
This is such a naive argument it is untrue. Why should someone without children pay the additional tax and NI to educate yours? With respect it's a daft argument. Where would you draw the line smokers, drinkers, drug addicts, rock climbers, fell walkers etc.
We pay because it is the best for civillised society.
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| Quote ="mark_m"The most racist people I have ever met have been non-caucasian. Absolutely no contest.'"
Sadly the Commission for Racial and Equality and the "liberal elite" including the leftist leaning BBC like to gloss over that.
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| Quote ="Wires71"This is such a naive argument it is untrue. Why should someone without children pay the additional tax and NI to educate yours? With respect it's a daft argument. Where would you draw the line smokers, drinkers, drug addicts, rock climbers, fell walkers etc.
We pay because it is the best for civillised society.'"
How can you put rock climbers on the same level as drug abusers? Drug abusers deliberately poison their own bodies and also put others at risk with their behaviour. Surely some of this behaviour means that they should forfeit the right to free healthcare, particularly if they are repeat offenders?
And with regard to [iyour[/i naive argument, you contribute to education because when the educated leave school they will contribute back to the economy which benefits all in society.
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| Quote ="mark_m"How can you put rock climbers on the same level as drug abusers? Drug abusers deliberately poison their own bodies and also put others at risk with their behaviour. Surely some of this behaviour means that they should forfeit the right to free healthcare, particularly if they are repeat offenders?
And with regard to [iyour[/i naive argument, you contribute to education because when the educated leave school they will contribute back to the economy which benefits all in society.'"
Rock climbers deliberately put themselves into positions of danger for challenge. As do drug users.
So where do you draw the line?
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| Quote ="Wires71"Rock climbers deliberately put themselves into positions of danger for challenge. As do drug users.
So where do you draw the line?'"
Oh come on; rock climbers will surely do their sport for fitness and the purposes of a challenge yes but they will do so intending to put themselves at risk. It also doesn't harm others.
If you say, inject a drug, you will know that this will do your body damage. And their altered behaviour may result in harm to others, for instance if they go and drive whilst under the influence. I was't under the impression that you took drugs as a 'challenge'.
Also last time I looked drug abuse was illegal and rock climbing isn't!
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"He wouldn't mind if they were French.'"
how very true! i'd forgotten that one, french catalonian no less
i do hope he was black as well!
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| Quote ="mark_m"Oh come on; rock climbers will surely do their sport for fitness and the purposes of a challenge yes but they will do so intending to put themselves at risk. It also doesn't harm others.
If you say, inject a drug, you will know that this will do your body damage. And their altered behaviour may result in harm to others, for instance if they go and drive whilst under the influence. I was't under the impression that you took drugs as a 'challenge'.
Also last time I looked drug abuse was illegal and rock climbing isn't!'"
I meant to say drugtakers put themselves into a position of danger. Although statistically ecstasy causes less deaths per year in the UK than peanut allergies.
Moving the argument on to it's rather tedious conclusion:- Under your scheme the "drugtaker" has overdosed on Heroin and requires immediate medical assistance or they will die. Said drugtaker doesn't have the funds to pay for his/her treatment. What happens next?
If you are considering a "let them die" reply then it's the end of the argument for me. If you are considering a "well in that case we will pay" you have just advocated a means tested health service. Either way its the end of the NHS as we know it.
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| Quote ="mark_m"Oh come on; rock climbers will surely do their sport for fitness and the purposes of a challenge yes but they will do so intending to put themselves at risk. It also doesn't harm others.
If you say, inject a drug, you will know that this will do your body damage. And their altered behaviour may result in harm to others, for instance if they go and drive whilst under the influence. I was't under the impression that you took drugs as a 'challenge'.
Also last time I looked drug abuse was illegal and rock climbing isn't!'"
both pastimes are done in the hope/desire for enjoyment, both put themselves at danger through choice, what about base jumping that's illegal. do you smoke or drink, eat fatty food, perhaps you've inherited some genetic defect, with your master race logic some one may deny you treatment one day.
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| Quote ="mark_m"Oh come on; rock climbers will surely do their sport for fitness and the purposes of a challenge yes but they will do so intending to put themselves at risk. It also doesn't harm others.
If you say, inject a drug, you will know that this will do your body damage. And their altered behaviour may result in harm to others, for instance if they go and drive whilst under the influence. I was't under the impression that you took drugs as a 'challenge'.
Also last time I looked drug abuse was illegal and rock climbing isn't!'"
tell that to the mountain rescue teams that have died over the years!
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| Quote ="slimwire66"both pastimes are done in the hope/desire for enjoyment, both put themselves at danger through choice, what about base jumping that's illegal. do you smoke or drink, eat fatty food, perhaps you've inherited some genetic defect, with your master race logic some one may deny you treatment one day.'"
Here's a fact
even oxygen is bad for you.
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| heres a fact.
wigan are poop.
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| Quote ="mark_m"The most racist people I have ever met have been non-caucasian. Absolutely no contest.'"
i'm not suprised with your belief systems, seig heil
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| Quote ="Wires71"I am not a BNP supporter, however for the purpose of informed discussion, their stated policy is concerned with controlling the levels of immigration both caucasian and otherwise which by all main political party's admission is out of control. They also wish to facilitate non-caucasian British citizens to return to their country of ethnic origin should they so wish.
So in answer to your question no, the BNP member would not refuse treatment from a black consultant. In addition you may like to consider that some BNP members are non-caucasian.
Furthermore I do not recall the BNP having a policy which condones sexual offences. I think you may have made that bit up.'"
several members of the BNP hiarachy have coinvictions for rape, admit the BNP are just the NF in suits, go on i dare you
oh and if the BNP had their way the black consultant would have been "sent back to where they came from" to coin a NF comment i've actually heard at a protest!
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| Quote ="slimwire66"several members of the BNP hiarachy have coinvictions for rape, admit the BNP are just the NF in suits, go on i dare you
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so have labour..
they bin rapin me for years.
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| Quote ="mark_m"You're the chief goal-post mover here; it was you said India was more crowded than Englnd when simply it isn't. And Japan has been the most nationalist, inward looking country on earth for hundreds of years; check your history books.
And with regard to the NHS, why shoud healthcare be a free option for all. Somebody above mentioned drug users as an example; why the **** have I worked all my life to pay for people who deliberately abuse themselves? Thye should be bloody sent a bill.'"
rubish post 1945 japan has not been at all nationalist!
and i said india was comperable not more crowded.
drug users should recieve free health care,every one should, as stated earlier, where do you draW the line?
seriously where,
no free health care for...........according to mark m
1. drug users
2, ? smokers
3.?drinkers
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come on!
what if some one else writes the list and puts bigots on it that leaves you screwed!
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| Quote ="Wires71"
Furthermore I do not recall the BNP having a policy which condones sexual offences. I think you may have made that bit up.'"
[url=http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-mayor/article-23470426-details/Women+more+troubled+by+bag+theft+than+rape,+BNP+candidate+claims/article.doRape is akin to force feeding a woman chocolate[/url
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| Quote ="'Hitman' Norvern Soul"[url=http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-mayor/article-23470426-details/Women+more+troubled+by+bag+theft+than+rape,+BNP+candidate+claims/article.doRape is akin to force feeding a woman chocolate[/url'"
thank you i was looking for that, god they are vile
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| Quote ="slimwire66"thank you i was looking for that, god they are vile'"
I am going to discontinue my devil's advocate stance now as that article is shocking.
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Jesus wept. I think I'm lost for words.
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| I just can't believe what I've just read!!
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| Quote ="slimwire66"i'm not suprised with your belief systems, seig heil
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You sir are an idiot. At no point have I mentioned my support for the BNP or anything like it. Try reading the posts again and also try and educate yourself. In fact I find that comment 'seig heil' really offensive.
And whether you want to accept it or not the most racist people on this planet will certainly not be the average white Englishman who are the most tolerant and accepting people you will ever find. Try sampling the hatred behind Indians and Pakistanis (particularly if you factor in religious differences). Although according to you the only racism is stemming from white people against black people.
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| Quote ="Wires71"I meant to say drugtakers put themselves into a position of danger. Although statistically ecstasy causes less deaths per year in the UK than peanut allergies.
Moving the argument on to it's rather tedious conclusion:- Under your scheme the "drugtaker" has overdosed on Heroin and requires immediate medical assistance or they will die. Said drugtaker doesn't have the funds to pay for his/her treatment. What happens next?
If you are considering a "let them die" reply then it's the end of the argument for me. If you are considering a "well in that case we will pay" you have just advocated a means tested health service. Either way its the end of the NHS as we know it.'"
Treat them and then hand them a bill for the treatment and for good measure get the Police to arrest them when they are discharged. That might help with the £15bn deficit. Put it this way something will have to be done; changes will always be unpalatable.
By the way, eating penauts is not illegal.
And before Slim pipes up (although he never actually reads other people comments never mind about understanding them), both my parents worked for the NHS for over thirty years and I do support the principle and it makes me sad to see the current state of the hospitals.
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Quote ="slimwire66"rubish post 1945 japan has not been at all nationalist!
and i said india was comperable not more crowded.
drug users should recieve free health care,every one should, as stated earlier, where do you draW the line?
seriously where,
no free health care for...........according to mark m
1. drug users
2, ? smokers
3.?drinkers
4.?
come on!
what if some one else writes the list and puts bigots on it that leaves you screwed!
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Go on then boy genius, why am I a bigot. I await your explanation with facts and then an apology.
Oh and the Japanese are very insular and nationalistic with long standing distrust (if not hatred of foreigners). Sorry you are wrong again. I have found this for you to read;
www.globaled.org/japanproject/le ... on01_3.php
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Quote ="slimwire66"rubish post 1945 japan has not been at all nationalist!
and i said india was comperable not more crowded.
drug users should recieve free health care,every one should, as stated earlier, where do you draW the line?
seriously where,
no free health care for...........according to mark m
1. drug users
2, ? smokers
3.?drinkers
4.?
come on!
what if some one else writes the list and puts bigots on it that leaves you screwed!
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Go on then boy genius, why am I a bigot. I await your explanation with facts and then an apology.
Oh and the Japanese are very insular and nationalistic with long standing distrust (if not hatred of foreigners). Sorry you are wrong again. I have found this for you to read;
www.globaled.org/japanproject/le ... on01_3.php
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