National Anthems should be for internationals only, simples.

If not, then play both. Equality yada yada yada

When asked to take reasonable steps to observe another countries national anthem I will always do so (especially when on their turf).

Yesterday reminded me of when I was in Sea World Florida. I was sat having dinner when the US National Anthem came on and all around me Americans were stood up with hands over their hearts, salutes, tears, the works. I made sure that I stood up and kept quiet just for a minute or so as a sign of respect.

Yesterday at Wrexham two things annoyed me;

First of all, the simple fact that people failed to respect what had been asked, this ranged from not standing up to actually chanting over the national anthem. I imagine these are the kind of people who would explode with rage of people did the same for the English national Anthem.

Second, people going crazy insisting that for the sake of "equality" they must play the English National Anthem too. There are a hundred reasons why that is an insane request. Nowhere does it say that one nations national anthem must be followed by another's, especially for a league match. It was obviously being played to inject a bit of atmosphere and passion into the match. (I am not making a point of this but does anyone know if a French anthem was played following the English National Anthem when Catalan played at Wembley a few years ago).


I just thought that some of what I heard during those minutes in Wrexham yesterday are a case in point of some strange/ nasty element which seem to be creeping into our fan base post Wembley 2009.

it should just be left to individuals whether they wish to stand and participate in the Welsh national anthem

personally, I stay seated .... I'm not racist but patriotic to my own Country; I wasn't insulted by the Crusaders playing the Welsh national anthem nor insulted when asked to stand for the same, but it would just have been "wrong" and false for me to stand

had the same "issue" a few years ago now when my daughter attended a karate tournament when the audience were asked to stand for the Japanese national anthem ...... same opinion, same result


KEEP THE FAITH .... !!

but disrespectful to another country?

It is as old as the hills that all national anthems are respected by standing during their playing. It's not much to ask.

why play anthems to start with, its not an international fixture, its a bloody local derby

thats a shame Karate is supposed to teach you discipline, respect, and courtesy......

and there you are sat on your backside showing absolutely none......I'd have been embarrassed for you....

I was sat near the guys with the drum in the left hand stand away from the main wire supporters and they were shocking. I missed the national anthem as one of our party had to get her ticket from the cabin but it wouldnt surpise me if they were the same group chanting over the national anthem. Im a southstander and stand just to the right of the Barmy Army at the HJ and didnt recognise any faces.

How many times they sang "The Famous Wigan Rugby..." song i lost count but showed their level of intelligence i guess. They weren't kids either, some in that group were well past 40. As a group who regularly attend games with 4 kids under the age of 12 you expect the odd expletive as its in peoples nature when aggrieved but these guys were shocking.

How can you not stand when asked? It just shows how disrespectful some people are. Its clear that Crusaders are doing a great job marketing the club as a Welsh team in an area of Wales more patriotically inclined, both in Language and Nature, than any other. As I say I missed the anthem but i would have stood without question.

Could we say the same about minute silences? I don't see what the harm is in showing respect for another country.

Pedantic note for those who have waffled on about the Welsh and English national anthems:

They don't exist. The British national anthem covers both nations.

However, unlike the English, the Welsh choose a patriotic song celebrating their country to represent them at sporting events rather than an ode to a unelected figurehead.

Cru-cru-crusaders is the best chant in Super League.

Quote ="Dropkick Murphy" However, unlike the English, the Welsh choose a patriotic song celebrating their country to represent them at sporting events rather than an ode to a unelected figurehead.'" I hope, like me, you support the aims and ambitions of www.republic.org.uk ?

Quote ="Dropkick Murphy" However, unlike the English, the Welsh choose a patriotic song celebrating their country to represent them at sporting events rather than an ode to a unelected figurehead.'" I hope, like me, you support the aims and ambitions of www.republic.org.uk ?

The Welsh one does exist the English one doesnt they choose to use the United Kingdom one.

And the reason why it was sung yesterday was due to choir. It is not done every week.

Yet again it shows our supporters in a bad light, just like the announcement to kerb the foul language, our lot jeered while the Crus clapped iin support of it.

I love the songs and passion but sometimes its cringeworthy.

I thought Wales did not have an official national language adopted in Law but instead through tradition. Similar to Scotland in that respect. I believe there is only one official National anthem in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and that is the sorry dirge which pleads an imaginary deity to preserve the unfair rights of the monarchy.

When is official official? [urlhttp://www.know-britain.com/songs/welsh_national_anthem.html[/url

This [urlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/music/sites/anthem/pages/anthem-background.shtml[/url is a bit more authoritative.

The home page on this is just for Mistah Lee.

Look Lee!

i think it is a bit over the top how many of the players are welsh and how many no the words

Quote ="Wires71"I hope, like me, you support the aims and ambitions of www.republic.org.uk ?'" I do.

Quote ="Wires71"I hope, like me, you support the aims and ambitions of www.republic.org.uk ?'" I do.

Spot on. I can't bring myself to sing that 'sorry dirge' no matter how patriotic I mey be feeling.

I'm English but also British. And let's make a few things clear. 1/ Wales vs Northern Ireland WCQ. The Welsh crowd booed throughout the whole of God save the Queen at the Millenium stadium. 2/ Let's see how much respect the Welsh give to God Save the Queen when England visit the Millenium Stadium again in the near future, for the Euro 2012 Qualifiers. 3/ God Save the Queen is the BRITISH national anthem, and the rest of the Home Nations 'songs' Are just that......

Ps I've stopped appeasing the Welsh and Scots a while ago, and I suggest they get their own house in order before any of the English start saying sorry, for something these 'Celtic' countries obviously started!!!!

Judging by some off the replies on here it looks like we are stuck with theses Ing-gor-lund numpties for quite some time, or at least until we have a few poor seasons

Quote ="Wires71"I hope, like me, you support the aims and ambitions of www.republic.org.uk ?'" What a waste of a computer server and URL. The Queen uses very little to none of her powers as head of state. We elect a parliamentary government which governs our country and passes any laws that government feels fit to pass. Over time the role as Prime Minister has evolved and taken on most if not all the responsibility that our monarchy used to have in the seventeenth century, rendering it almost powerless. However the Queen and her family still play a vital role in our country, but most of it goes unnoticed by the public and the media tend to ignore it. She and her family host state visits and welcome foreign political figures to which the PM may otherwise by occupied to host. No formal state visit is complete without a trip to Buckingham Palace even in this modern day and age. Without the Queen tourism in this country would be non existent, which is revenue that is badly needed in this country at the present time. If you were to take all of the politicians, bankers and businessmen out of London you would be left with nothing but tourists. The Royal Family has a rich and controversial history which people still pay good money to tour the Palace, Tower of London, and waste on expensive tacky merchandise. Like it or not, the Royals still play a vital role in our country whatever you may think of them.

Quote ="Wires71"I hope, like me, you support the aims and ambitions of www.republic.org.uk ?'" What a waste of a computer server and URL. The Queen uses very little to none of her powers as head of state. We elect a parliamentary government which governs our country and passes any laws that government feels fit to pass. Over time the role as Prime Minister has evolved and taken on most if not all the responsibility that our monarchy used to have in the seventeenth century, rendering it almost powerless. However the Queen and her family still play a vital role in our country, but most of it goes unnoticed by the public and the media tend to ignore it. She and her family host state visits and welcome foreign political figures to which the PM may otherwise by occupied to host. No formal state visit is complete without a trip to Buckingham Palace even in this modern day and age. Without the Queen tourism in this country would be non existent, which is revenue that is badly needed in this country at the present time. If you were to take all of the politicians, bankers and businessmen out of London you would be left with nothing but tourists. The Royal Family has a rich and controversial history which people still pay good money to tour the Palace, Tower of London, and waste on expensive tacky merchandise. Like it or not, the Royals still play a vital role in our country whatever you may think of them.

Football neanderthals. What do you expect? Racist, sexist, thuggish, homophobic, nasty wastes of space.

I agree with that and the rest of your post but I still can't bring myself to sing about it at sports events.
Abide with me ? Now that's a different story

Luckily they didnt have servers during the time of Oliver Cromwell. All what you say reads like it is directly from her majesty's website. Most leading countries manage perfectly well without an arcane, outdated, unfair, un-democratic system such as our monarchy thus defeating the majority of your points.

No tourists without a Royal Family? Get real, have you been to Paris, New York, Berlin etc?

You know I still fail to see why we should have the head of church and state determined by which poor sod falls out a womb before the other.