i think a lot of people are getting carried away with bruines, i dont think he was ever signed with a starting spot in mind

Quote ="Kevin Turvey"No news on Bullock or Bruines then. Can only assume they’re injured as Bullock would surely be in there and Bruines needs a run out with new team mates.'" Both injured: https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sp ... riendlies/

Quote ="Kevin Turvey"No news on Bullock or Bruines then. Can only assume they’re injured as Bullock would surely be in there and Bruines needs a run out with new team mates.'" Both injured: https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sp ... riendlies/

There’s likely to be a pedantic and bureaucratic reason for this, but could we not have used the Widnes friendly as the last game of the ban and played him in this game?

He was suspended for Widnes and will serve the last game of his suspension v Leigh.

Looking at the team named, there’s a lot of speed and mobility, similar to last year, but need to get on the front foot and win some momentum to create space in the middle. I don’t like saying it, but that perfectly suits Russell’s game. Human pinball who wins a lot of rucks coming away from our line.

Ashton has worked hard on this, and is a great ball carrier. I just hope Thewlis has continued to develop in this area, hopefully aided by being brought into Wane’s England squad last year. Nothing against Russell, I just hope that these two do enough to not require resorting to (in my opinion) a negative move.

To be honest I was just wondering where he was. I think you're right, more of a project signing to see if there's some promise there.

This is our trouble. We are improved by a journeyman player like Russell (I've no axe to grind with him). He wouldn't improve Wigan or Saints. Shows how far we are behind.

Miski up until last season was very much seen as a journeyman, but took his chance, I'd take Russell over Saints third winger whether that be Bennison or Ritson.

Ashton I think if he already isn't certainly has the potential to be the best winger in the league, I wouldn't swap him for any other I think Thewlis is a very talented player, and is the right player for us at the wing position, I think he is an improvement over Russell but I'm also happy to see Russell in for cover.

It is a squad game I think Russell is a decent back up player and could reasonably stake a place as a starting winger in a number of other super league clubs.

Decent back up, yes.

Which clubs do you think he could stake a starting place in? How many of those clubs have SL Title ambitions?

Admittedly it's those clubs at the lower end of Super League who may not hold realistic title aspirations.

My points were that it was said "We were improved by a journeyman player" and this was a sign of how poor we are in attitude to other clubs I disagree, I think it is a postive that we have a back up of the quality of Russell. I'd say any squad in Superleague would potentially be improved by Russell, any that for a number albeit on the small side and non title challengers, the 17 could be improved by Russell.

To support this I think he is better that Saints third choice wingers Bennison and Ritson, and Wigans (who is widely regarded as the team to beat) have a young academy graduate as their back up who has had some injuries, granted they could shuffle their 17 and a number of their players can play wing.

Our issues are not with our wingers this season as others have pointed out.

Yes, fair enough. I was meaning in reference to our starting 17 being improved by Russell as a "human pinball" and a way of relying on to "get momentum". I think he is a useful squad player for us when injuries strike.

Where do you think our issues are for 2024?

We are going over the same debate about Russell that was discussed before he left and then again when we re-signed him.

His major issue in my opinion is his poor try scoring record.

To win games, you need to score more points than the opposition, with Russell on the wing we are reducing the odds on doing that.

I think our issues may be strength in depth - particularly in the second row - and size in the second row as well.

We've had a team with a poor try scoring record for quite a few seasons.

Fair enough, firstly before I do moan I'm feeling quite positive about our 2024, and feel we are in better shape than the Powell era, but,

Past our Starting Props I feel there is quite a drop off there, and I'm expecting a lot from Musgrove

Depth at second row again quite the drop off when we get to replacements and like Musgrove expecting a lot from Fitzgibbon.

Half backs, we are very reliant on Williams, Drinkwater cannot have another season like last year, high hopes for Hayes but I want him breaking into the team for the right reasons not having too because Drinkwater is terrible, Powell could go there, but that doesn't give us a long kick game.

In the back line I'm quite happy Centres are improved although we are down two already, I'm a bit worried over Tai given what's been said about fitness, 1 year seems a good idea.

On the whole though can't wait for Saturday and to see how it all goes.

Hmmm. Top half of the tries scored table most years Even top two 21. Even in the dire season of 22 we where far higher up the try scoring table than the actual league table.

Also tries scored isn't the only indicator of success the last two seasons of their Grand Final winning 4 year run Saints weren't anywhere near the top. Not that I want us playing the soul crushing, boring, edge of legality rugby scum helens do.

It's resilience and determination in key moments in games that get you trophies, a quality we have had sadly lacked and not just in a few seasons unfortunately.

Russell seems to be very good at ‘bending’ the line but I honestly can’t recall him ever ‘breaking’ the line. A good winger should do both and close games can be won by wingers who can do the latter. A handy squad player but I’m hoping our game plan encourages wing play as demonstrated by Ashton, Thewlis etc.

There is a WG article asking what we expect from the friendly.

For me I would like us to look structured amd threatening when in the oppositon 30. I hope we will not see the one out drives, tackle 4 panic play and then high kick to King.

I would also like to see us aggressive taking the ball in and completing sets calmly and methodically.

Finally I am hoping we have got some basics right. Passes from DH not being over the head of reciever would be good. So would playing the ball correctly.

Worth remembering we have a quota spot and cap space available for another prop, so I’m hoping - assuming we find someone - that it will end up being a strength. I’m still expecting Mikaele to come over to be honest! Hopefully Green, Thomas and Wood can also get some game time this year.

Back row, agreed we lack depth, but with Crowther, Harrison & Powell we have some cover at 13, so could we see Nicholson covering in case of injury? I’m not entirely happy with that to be honest, if Nicholson is to be our long term 13 he should be left there as much as possible, rather than moving him around. Not sure on Whitehead and Holroyd, they haven’t been given many opportunities so far, this could be a breakthrough season for one of them. I think Tanginoa would have been a good fit for us, primarily coming off the bench but able to cover prop, back row and loose well.

In terms of the Leigh game I’ll be interested in a few things. The left / split of the centres & back row will be one, Currie likely to play on the right and King on the left?

Structure within the half backs looks promising with Burgess & Williams suggesting Drinkwater will take up a more traditional scrum half central position in attack with Williams playing outside him on the left or right as necessary. I think that could utilise their talents well.

I have heard about this "new formation" but in reality Williams has to favour one side or the other ... otherwise he will be doing one hell of a lot of running off the ball. OK sometimes he will pop up on the right but he can't always play wide left & right. I'm sure Burgess & Williams know more than me so it will be good to see how this pans out.

This was the traditional Stand-Off role, when I 1st started watching the game.

Both halfbacks covered the whole pitch, but the Scrumhalf would tend to play most of the game from the middle section, while the Stand-Off had more freedom to follow the attacking play.

When the team is defending, then they will have a side of the field to position and defend otherwise their defensive duties in the middle of the field would be too tiring.

Anyone know if you can pay on the gate/on the day?

Quote ="matt_wire"Anyone know if you can pay on the gate/on the day?'" Yes cash turnstyles according to the club. https://warringtonwolves.com/news/2024/ ... -Leopards/

Quote ="matt_wire"Anyone know if you can pay on the gate/on the day?'" Yes cash turnstyles according to the club. https://warringtonwolves.com/news/2024/ ... -Leopards/

Leigh have reportedly sold 2000 tickets for this. Great turnout for a friendly that

(if its true!)

At times last season, Ratty Muscle was likely our best makeshift forward, even from off the wing!