I agree that the last thing we should do is just take the "lucky dip" approach and grab whoever is available.

One thing that the last few years has taught us is the idea [ijust get rid, it can't get any worse[/i is false. It can get worse and it has.

In 2017 we were saying it can't get any worse than it is under Tony Smith. Within about 18 months under Price things were worse. Then we thought the dire rugby we were seeing under Price when every year we went out in the first round of the playoffs was as bad as it could get. But from here, the idea of being a playoff team with guys like Hill, Cooper and Charnley sounds like the good times...

I would rather we had some serious behind the scene conversations with real top coaches. If one isn't available for now but might be available at the start of 2025 then go with a temporary coach until then.

If we need to take time to rework the structure of the club, bring in a top Director of Rugby who really knows what to do in terms of recruitment and development, and then let them identify their choice of head coach, lets go for that.

If we just keep taking lucky dip on new coaches then we'll keep getting frustrated until one time we strike lucky, have a couple of years of success and then lose that coach to the NRL. Then if our underlying club structure isn't right, it's back to the randomness of lucky dip because the only reason we were good was because of that coach.

I can't remember who said it on here (cue lots of "I'm Spartacus" moments) but it was the most resonant thibg I've heard for a while.

The gist was that with the money we've thrown around we could have established an elite academy tasked with signing the best youngsters in the NW, Britain and Europe and bringing them through.

I was reminded of it in the Saints Leeds game where it was mentioned that young Walters was originally from Widnes.

Replacement of Powell needs to be the catalyst for bigger changes within the club, management structure and approach ...... and we all know how we kickstart that.

If you want an disciolinarian, whose won it all and is a legend of the game, then Ellery Hanley would fit that bill.

Consensus is ( not Confucius says) that a lot of fans on here saying the same thing it’s more than just the coach.

I have long been an advocate of Fitzpatrick out and still stand by that but there must be others in the background that can be said the same of. A full internal review of the club is needed and that has to be led by Moran and Middleton.

We have had Smith, Price and Powell somebody is responsible for employing them and if same people keep just bringing new coaches in well it’s clearly not worked. So again I say it’s whatever is going on behind the scenes.

Whoever comes in one thing for sure that needs to be 100% stamped out is this so called player power, it’s just not on imo. What’s the point of a coach/manager if the players dictate whether they play or not or as suggested don’t turn up for training etc.

We are crying out for a Director of Rugby who instantly has the respect of all from a rugby perspective, a proven winner. Someone who can take the longer view and review our operations top to bottom. Fix the greenhouse before sowing the seeds. Someone who can re-instate our identity and ensure that everything is as it should be from a sporting perspective. Full board level position. Eject the chancer clown and get a capable, experienced sports administrator who can look after the non sporting operation and ensure things like the debacle of the McGuire incident, GI, Burrell signings etc etc never happen again. If we do this, then we may move slowly away from being a laughing stock rich man's play thing into a sporting organisation to be proud of.

The fact that it is Middleton travelling to Australia rather than Fitzpatrick (Again) is significant to me and signals that changes could be happening.

I'd much rather a GF winning Director of Rugby representing WWRLFC was going but I take your point.

Maybe KF is off to become a big hitting CEO of another elite level high profile UK sporting organisation, or perhaps more likely, a Social Media manager role in one of our board members' companies.

I think I brought it up on my 'How Important Is The Coach' thread...

As always seems to happen when a coach is sacked, performances will improve whoever comes in.

With that in mind I would happily let Chambers run the show this season and take a cautious, well researched approach to appointing someone new. As I have said before, root & branch changes at the club for me, new CEO, new director of rugby, new 1st team coach and lurking in the background, a bloody good sports psychologist to sort out our basket case of a club.

Brian McDermott Director of Rugby ? Controversial, speaks his mind which was not always good for the camera as a coach but behind the scenes I could go with that.

I really have no idea who I want. I don't follow the game with vigour I used to. Home games moved to a Saturday and then a Friday in recent years. I loved Sunday games, but the club isn't run for my benefit.. None Wire games just seem to pass me by (bar last week's CCSFs, and the odd notable game).

Wane probably doesn't want the job, and the only 3 people I can recall from Australia are Cooper Cronk, Mal Meninga and the lovely Ms. Sampson.

The only thing I DONT want, is someone with Wire connectors. "Oh, so'n'so knows the club, he'll be great" is exactly the kind of person we need to steer clear of. We need a new broom. Get rid of the jobs for the boys mentality this club has always had.

We need a fresh start (yes, I know Powell and Sheridan had no connection, but I didn't want them in the first place)

Trigger has got a new broom…………….. sorry couldn’t resist il get my coat.

Apparently Chambers and Marshall both knew they would be taking over from DP and Jigsaw, quite sometime. Which fits in with DP knowing he was knocking on the exit well before last night.

If that's the case then I'd query why the change wasn't made after the cup exit or the cas defeat? At the very least 2 games ago with the cup break to get a head start.

The drag out is the terms. DP wasn’t going to go cheaply.
He wanted his full contract, and Wire wasn’t willing to pay it.

Anthony Griffin.

If this is true, and it's a big if, that's an appalling way to treat the incumbent coach. Seems as the Sword of Damocles was hovering for a few weeks.

Why not make the decision after the Wigan CC game and be decisive.

Again if we have limited company board members talking to our resident taxi driver and fog horn about Powell's future it is so unprofessional it's untrue.

According to the Stuart Middleton interview in the guardian. The board was allowing Powell the chance to turn things round.

That's all fine, but to disclose the details to all and sundry is not in my view.

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No thanks.

Apart from Holbrook and Wane, I can't think of any other stand out potential candidates. If both said no, then I can't think of any better realistic options.

Yes, it`s a mine field, with a lot of snipers in the long grass too.

FWIW, I wanted us to appoint Watson from Salford and not Powell, before Huddersfield beat us to the punch, but his tenure there has been underwhelming, and they threw away last years Challenge Cup Final with his negative tactics, so what do I know???

There’s a pool of assistant coaches in the NRL who would be interested IMO. If Holbrook and Wane aren’t interested then we need to unearth the next Maguire, Holbrook, Woolf etc. We should be aiming higher than a bloke who’s biggest achievement is winning the championship with Leigh.