How can you say the Penny try was perfectly good? It was clear as day on the first replay that it was Atkins who knocked the ball onto the Cas player! Blatant knock on and if it was given, it would have been a prime example as to why the ref sending a decision up as a try or not doesn't work.

Sounds like your TV may be faulty - need to get one of the rfl TV's which clearly show a different picture

Indeed. How can we not turn up tonight in a do or die game is beyond me. Intensity shouldve been full tilt from the off...then again we're just not good enough.

I thought it was more the fact Westwood had a bit if a second effort that forced the ball out rather that direct contact with the ball.
Regardless, it was stupid to concede a further 10m.

No excuses from me. Simply nowhere near good enough to be in the playoffs.

It's not clear as day, on the second angle, the cas player didn't get a hand on it. Atkins had two and then passed it back.

You must be stevo or whoever the video ref was (who was it?). I saw nothing conclusive - look at Atkins left hand which controls if first (back)

Stevie Wonder I think.

He didn't retaliate because he shat himself. He's one of the most over rated players in super league.

Whats happened to the Wire? They didn't look interested.
I thought Tony Smith gave a begrudging compliment to Cas when he said "enthusiasm can get you a long way" so why doesn't he instil that same enthusiasm into your team.
The big name players that Smith has at his disposal should have done much better. Taxi for Smith for me but would that leave you even worse with Agar?

Why do people talk absolute rubbish in this site?

Neither player was backing out of that little confrontation, they were both up for it and neither were ting it. Good on em both. And how is Sims overrated?who rates him? He's just a decent NRL older player who did okay throughout his late 20s there but was never spectacular and I've never really heard anyone say anything more about him.

Plus you were barely better than us in that game. It was a poor game from both sides. You barely got into our 20 in the first half, we just stuffed up loads of good opportunities as we spent most of the time in your half. Then you were better second half but still allowed us to score more points than we did in the first half even though we were worse in the second half. We were a poor call on that ball steal on Clark from certainly getting a draw, if not getting our own drop goal to win.

RFL TVs are in black and white with grainy images of overweight men rolling around in the mud and an Eddie Waring commentary over the top.

About the only part you are correct on mate, we were one point better and thats what matterss.
When Simms was miked up for the cup game he said "gimmee eyes gimmee eyes" have a look at his eyes when Carney goes for him.

How old are you, 12? Neither of them was backing down and neither wanted to throw the first punch. Stalemate.

Is it heck all that matters, both teams will have taken a lot more than the knowledge of who won away from the game that will effect them ongoing. And as I said, neither were backing down from that.

Well TS and his superstars dragged the Wire down to a whole new level of Shat in that game.

Where was the game plan?
Where was the aggression?
What have they been working on with Sandow?
What has happened to Joel?
What has happened to Westwood?
Ratchford words fail me here?
Evans, personally I just don't get the hype?
Atkins, marginal for me tonight, but usually utter tripe?
Harrison, jeeesus?
No Philbin or Wilde?
Do the players and TS have any respect for themselves and/or the fans/the club?

I wont do the Asiteasy and Wheeler as my blood pressure won't take it. They say there are no more signings for next season, that worries me greatly.

I thought Penny and Currie were good value as was Myler, Clark did a good stint, Sims was his usual aggressive running/tackling and Hill what can you say about him he carried the lot of them again.

I'd say that the Cas game has now gone so onwards to the Wigan game, but to be perfectly honest, I can't. I'm so p****d off with the way this season has turned out, and no-one seems to have done a damn thing about it. "Oh, I know, let's put it down to a transitional season and focus on next year". How many damn transitional seasons are we going to have before someone realises we are s**t and does something about it? We're just happy trundling along, being "out enthused" every game. Is that the only excuse TS can come up with? Out enthused? Just come out and say that we are utter dog turd and changes need to be made.

The main thing I'm surprised about from last night is that Kevin Penny hasn't been made the scapegoat for the loss.

We have been on the slide for years... it was always going to come to breaking point sooner or later... I think were fairly close to that point now.

I don't think we're fairly close mate, I think we passed it a good while ago.

It came for me when we lost that 4th game on the spin in April at home to Cas.

I did not see much of briers last night was he injured?.

A few thoughts generally from last night;

I have great admiration for Hill and Sims (the latter has really grown on me during the season for his work ethic), I cannot fault their effort.

I think the time has now come to focus on getting more out of the players we already have. Clark, Monagahan, Atkins, Evans and Harrison all just need to provide more. I have seen them all play much better than they are at the moment, I don't believe they are over the hill, and it's up to Agar and Smith to get more from them.

Asotasi just has to go, he has been a disaster.

I am encouraged by Sandow, a 40/20 in his second game isn't shabby and I would rather he went for ambitious kicks than not. But not surprisingly it showed that the backline looked like they had not played much together and I hope that we can now just use the rest of the season to try out moves and for Sandow to bed in.

Good points, well made.

I've read the comments on here, and they mainly concentrate on Thaler's ineptitude (he was, for both teams), and our players' all round 5h1teness. Fair enough.

I missed the first half (I had a note from Matron), and the video ref calls, etc, BUT, I firmly lay that defeat at Smith's door, due to his APPALLING tactics.

Whenever Cas "fluffed up" in their own 20, each set of six was a carbon copy.
Play one, Drive the ball up
Play two, pass towards Monaghan's wing, take the tackle
play three, pass the ball until we're facing the posts, take the tackle
play four, repeat play two, take the tackle
play five, pass until we're facing the posts, then pass back to Monaghan's wing (were all the traffic is) and get tackled
play six, kick

No variety, the same routine every set. DROSS, DROSS, DROSS. These will be his instructions.
Does he not realise that we have a left attacking side. Despite criticism from myself, I'm well aware that Atkins has strength 10m in front of the opposition line. Why did he hardly get to show this strength? I'm baffled.

As for shoving it to the right, all the time. WHAT FOR? Monaghan looks no more a RL player now, than the old bird on that Bake Off rubbish. Don't get me started on Wheeler. Penny must've been bored witless, in that second half.

Despite Sandow's input, we've regressed to where we were, circa Easter and mid June. A mid table club, who are just ambling through matches, without any real purpose.

I know we've all said that this season was going to be a struggle, but the standard of RL played throughout the season by ALL teams, has been way below what we've seen since Super League's inception. Even Leeds have "stunk the house out" at times (those two defeats v us). This season has been there for the taking for any team. (as Stevo would say) we've "put the cue on the rack", the week after the WCC game, and merely gone through the motions.

Smith MUST turn things around. He's undoing years of good work, before our eyes.

I'm peed off.

good luck with that.

more chance of asotasi going full length.

Well, I've just sat through a TOSH game, with very little quality rugby on show, and that was 1st against 3rd.

Like I said, this season was there for the taking. IF we had taken care of what was obvious to Ray Charles FOUR years ago, we'd've strolled this league.

What's that old phrase

....fail to prepare.........prepare to fail