Name some players of this endless list? I'm sure you will have links to prove it as well with there being so many.

ridiculous isnt it.

I believe this has already been done for me in another thread but for starters:
Wood
Higham
Monaghan (j)
Hodgson
Carvell
Penny
Lineham

And they are just a few done in public. Rumours about cliques in the club have been around a while. Open your eyes something clearly stinks.

Hill said last night we were "miles off".

Your refer to our Challenge Cup Final loss in support of your argument. Do you recall that was the culmination of 3 wins Oldham, Widnes and Wakefield?

and yet if we had won the CC a lot of fans would have put the season down as a success yet finish top of a league structure after 30 games is completely worthless

I'm firmly in the 'Time for Smith to move on' camp.

HOWEVER.

There is no point sacking him until we have a world class replacement ready to step in. Who is there? People crying out for Powell need to give their head a wobble, he's won sod all an all and even if he was a winner he's hardly going to walk out on Cas this season with the rugby he's got them playing. Agar should walk the plank if smith is going an all and Briersy isn't ready... Right now there is no one.

Jib Agar off. He's deadwood we can't afford to be carrying and it'll send a message out. Make Briers first assistant.

Had we won the CC, I would have said that was a success.

That is rightly or wrongly what the definition of success is, in the competitions we compete in.

We can comfort ourselves with the fact we've been the "best" team in the competition on a couple of occasions with the LLS, but success is GF and CC wins.

Walk away as losing finalists in the two main competitions that count, great to be there, better than those that only made it to the semis. But success? No.

Win one or both? Of course that's a success.

Mind you, the prospect of Lee Briers being responsible for training does make me pause for thought

So, do we just keep on losing game after game with a disgruntled set of players, whom the coach appears to have lost.... All because there isnt a world class replacement to take over immediately?

or do we make a change, try and lift the morale of the players and the fans and go again, in an attempt to not end up in the million pound game.

I dont care who it is, but we need change. Even its if temporary until the end of the season. These players need another leader before its too late.

I've been laughed at and told I don't know what I'm going on about but I'd give Agar the chop. He has a loosing mentality and that mentality spreads. I think that would be enough to make players sit up and think "bloody hell, we better buck our ideas up." If not then give Smith a golden handshake and say taraa.

I'd be reluctant to give smith the boot first. Lets see what would happen with Briers as his No.2 first.

Iestyn Harris talks a lot of sense on the radio and seems to know where our problems are.

Could bring Kevin Ellis and Clive Griffiths with him who he worked with in the Wales job.

club legend as well.. adored by the fans... bring him home.

like you say we need a temporary lift - Harris could come in and start us dreaming of great things to come before he moved on to replace McDermott at Leeds

OR Sculthorpe... he could come in, save the day, then go and coach saints when poundland Jack Black (copyright morriseyisawire) gets the hook.

Of course I wished we had won the GF and the CC, but, we didn't. My point was that having beaten Oldham, Widnes and Wakefield, the comparative (distorted IMO) value given to us beating Hull FC in a tight game as opposed to a 30 game season is an unfair one

The league leaders shield only means something to the teams that wins it and a little Presteigne for coming first.

The challenge cup is a great trophy to win and a nice day out I guess but it's not the grand final and it's not a win,


I had hoped that the cc wins would spur us on and we could potentially have won a few grand finals by now.

That's not the case we still have not won the gf and there have been similarities in the mannor of our losses in the grand finals and in the cc cup defeat against hull

My squad for next season

1 New FB unless Johnson improves 100%
2 lineham
3 new centre
4 new centre
5 new winger
6 ratchford
7 Patton
8 hill
9 Clark
10 cooper
11 sims
12. Currie
13 westerman

Subs
Savellio
Cosby
Cooper
Dwyer

Let the rest go. Just not good enough or not likely to improve all of a sudden

As a minimum.

Sims can be replaced for me.
Jury is out on Cooper and Crosby
And I think we need something else in the half backs.

Depressing. Its a full rebuild.

No Toby King?! More than held his own when played.

I agree and wouldn't be so quick to ditch Hughes either perhaps Currie could play centre as there seems to be a general dearth in this position?

Isn't Sims out of contract at the end of this season?

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yes he was hoping for a big season and to get an extension to his contract.........

oh dear......

I thought about king but I don know I look to successful teams over my life time they have always had one of the best centres in the league if not world and right now king does not fit into that category, Hughes is just a poor mans currie or Bateman sims or savelio offer more size and savellio has a bit more about him skill wise, and sims would be taking a wage cut for any kind of extension so would be reasonable value for money until an appropriate replacement can be found

Maybe let em all go was slight over reaction in the anger I was feeling but there are certainly a lot of players that are considered first teamed that are just not up to the job and commanding a reasonable amount of salary cap the king brothers philbin Wilde Johnson still have a fair bit to learn and coming in to rest and cover injuries will be better playing in a settled side with quality team mates with experience to help them progress.

The idea of moving savellio currie to centres again I would argue that we will end up with too many utility players that are good in a few positions but great in none, if needs must due to injuries but not on a permanent basis.

Time yet