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| Quote ="adamhuddsgiant"Watched the saints game this morning. I don't understand why they can't use the cameras for it? Sure if it is a 50 50 give it to the attacking side but if saints had got owt out of that game it would have been a sad night!'"
You can't use the cameras as different angles will alter how the human brain perceives direction. GPS tracking of the ball is about the only way to do it. One good idea I had once was if the ball was thrown forward it exploded. Think of the entertainment value alone, it would be incredible viewing. And I tell you what, there would be far fewer forward passes. |
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| Quote ="Saddened!"You can't use the cameras as different angles will alter how the human brain perceives direction. GPS tracking of the ball is about the only way to do it. One good idea I had once was if the ball was thrown forward it exploded. Think of the entertainment value alone, it would be incredible viewing. And I tell you what, there would be far fewer forward passes.'"
In Rugby Union you can go to the TMO for forward passes, and they don't use GPS tracking. |
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| Quote ="Saddened!"You can't use the cameras as different angles will alter how the human brain perceives direction. GPS tracking of the ball is about the only way to do it. One good idea I had once was if the ball was thrown forward it exploded. Think of the entertainment value alone, it would be incredible viewing. And I tell you what, there would be far fewer forward passes.'"
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I've heard some of the daftest definitions for a forward pass such as observing the position of the passers hands is one...another was even if the ball travels forward it doesn't count as a forward pass if the passer manages to overtake the receiver before he receives the ball. When I asked the poster for a more detailed explanation he accused me of playing truant during physics lessons at school. My definition of a forward pass is if the ball travels in a forward trajectory, it's a forward pass. There are so many markings on the pitch these days it isn't too difficult to spot a forward pass.
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In these days of controversial reffing decisions may be the best solution would be to tear up the rule book....why should the fans be bothered about the rules if the players,ref & RFL don't stick to them.
As for forward passes, they are bound to happen with a flat attack which seems to be an obsession with most coaches.
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Quote ="BrianBradyHandOff"I've heard some of the daftest definitions for a forward pass such as observing the position of the passers hands is one...another was even if the ball travels forward it doesn't count as a forward pass if the passer manages to overtake the receiver before he receives the ball. When I asked the poster for a more detailed explanation he accused me of playing truant during physics lessons at school. My definition of a forward pass is if the ball travels in a forward trajectory, it's a forward pass. There are so many markings on the pitch these days it isn't too difficult to spot a forward pass.'"
And both of those daftest definitions are correct- although I think you've misunderstood the latter- and yes it's domething taught at o level/ GCSE physics. Your definition of a forward pass is wrong. The ball will almost always travel forward in relationship to the place it was passed from. Watch this refereeing video to understand why- it even uses all those markings on the pitch to explain it! so easy even a girl can understand it. - I'm a girl that teaches physics by the way....
www.rugbyrefs.com/wiki/index.php ... rward_Pass
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And both of those daftest definitions are correct- although I think you've misunderstood the latter- and yes it's domething taught at o level/ GCSE physics. Your definition of a forward pass is wrong. The ball will almost always travel forward in relationship to the place it was passed from. Watch this refereeing video to understand why- it even uses all those markings on the pitch to explain it! so easy even a girl can understand it. - I'm a girl that teaches physics by the way....
www.rugbyrefs.com/wiki/index.php ... rward_Pass
It's a union video- but despite unions delusions of grandeur It still plays with the same basic laws of physics. | |
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Quote ="jools"And both of those daftest definitions are correct- although I think you've misunderstood the latter- and yes it's domething taught at o level/ GCSE physics. Your definition of a forward pass is wrong. The ball will almost always travel forward in relationship to the place it was passed from. Watch this refereeing video to understand why- it even uses all those markings on the pitch to explain it! so easy even a girl can understand it. - I'm a girl that teaches physics by the way....
www.rugbyrefs.com/wiki/index.php ... rward_Pass
It's a union video- but despite unions delusions of grandeur It still plays with the same basic laws of physics.
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what a load of cobblers...if a ball travels forward its forward anyone should ungerstand that...i agree 100% with mr brady..in fact i heard an even dafter explanation when leeds scored a try in our demolition of them a few years back in the play offs..leeds scored of a forward pass that was at least 3 yards forward and phil clarke said it was like jumping off a train in batley and landing in dewsbury...the mind boggles at why a simple game is made so complicated |
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www.rugbyrefs.com/wiki/index.php ... rward_Pass
It's a union video- but despite unions delusions of grandeur It still plays with the same basic laws of physics.
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what a load of cobblers...if a ball travels forward its forward anyone should ungerstand that...i agree 100% with mr brady..in fact i heard an even dafter explanation when leeds scored a try in our demolition of them a few years back in the play offs..leeds scored of a forward pass that was at least 3 yards forward and phil clarke said it was like jumping off a train in batley and landing in dewsbury...the mind boggles at why a simple game is made so complicated | |
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What would the game be like if, like some posters above, we effectively wanted to ban passing on the run?
Seriously, watch the (original) video on the link - judging a forward pass based on the lines on the pitch is completely the wrong way to do it.
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I think what people are struggling with on here is that the forward pass is judged relative to the passing player, not the ground. That is why they cannot use pitch markings.
Imagine Clarke is running forward at 30kph and passes the ball flat (relative to himself) to a supporting Myler. Both Clarke and the ball have a forward velocity of 30kph. In the 0.25 seconds the ball is in the air it will have travelled forward 2m relative to the pitch. This is a legal pass.
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"Ye car'ne change the laws of physics Jim!"
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So if 2 or 3 hundred species roar *FORWARD* in unison they are all completely wrong ? Thanks to you boffins I and hundreds of others stand corrected...Thank you for the enlightenment.
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....only in Featherstone! BBHO
Where I recall all of our passes were indeed forward.
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I think a lot of these physics lessons are promoted by sky & the RFL to disguise the lack of policing of the forward pass, just as a" fast defensive line" does away with offside at the play the ball. I think enforcement of the forward pass rule would limit the scoring prowess of certain teams.
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Its all down to body shape at the pass regardless whether the ball momentum is forward. Pass the ball behind your shoulder to waist areas and the pass is deemed good.
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Good lord - this thread. It's not the work of boffins, physics, body position or magic, it is a basic element of the rules of the game. All explained clearly here
www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/rules/o ... rward_pass
[iDirection of Pass 1. The direction of a pass is relative to the player making it and not to the actual path relative to the ground. A player running towards his opponents’ goal line may throw the ball towards a colleague who is behind him but because of the thrower’s own momentum the ball travels forward relative to the ground. This is not a forward pass as the thrower has not
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Good lord - this thread. It's not the work of boffins, physics, body position or magic, it is a basic element of the rules of the game. All explained clearly here
www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/rules/o ... rward_pass
[iDirection of Pass 1. The direction of a pass is relative to the player making it and not to the actual path relative to the ground. A player running towards his opponents’ goal line may throw the ball towards a colleague who is behind him but because of the thrower’s own momentum the ball travels forward relative to the ground. This is not a forward pass as the thrower has not
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| Quote ="BrianBradyHandOff"So if 2 or 3 hundred species roar *FORWARD* in unison they are all completely wrong ? Thanks to you boffins I and hundreds of others stand corrected...Thank you for the enlightenment.'"
It's a pleasure.
I have found that the species are not usually a great detector of forward passes. For instance I have never seen the species roar for a forward pass their own side makes. Nor are Wire species particularly accurate in terms of what they say in unison. In the years 1991 to 2008 I heard many chants that we were going to Wembley only to find out that this was incorrect also.
I'd be careful believing all you hear just because a lot of people say it.
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I was at Wembley in 1990
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Aha!
Well edited.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"I was at Wembley in 1990'"
Duly edited. I should have stayed safe with the [i"we're gonna win the league"[/i chant or [i"Warrington (the town) is wonderful"[/i |
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The opposing fans must be in on the act too because they keep saying it's always our year. So the forward pass could be no more than an optical illusion ?
By the way ,be careful talking about species instead of spectators otherwise David Attenborough will be investigating the the thousands of different species turning up at the HJ every week.
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| Quote ="Wires71"I think what people are struggling with on here is that the forward pass is judged relative to the passing player, not the ground. That is why they cannot use pitch markings.
Imagine Clarke is running forward at 30kph and passes the ball flat (relative to himself) to a supporting Myler. Both Clarke and the ball have a forward velocity of 30kph. In the 0.25 seconds the ball is in the air it will have travelled forward 2m relative to the pitch. This is a legal pass.'"
so what your saying is theres sod all wrong with the last 2 trys saints scored... |
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| Quote ="sir adrian morley"so what your saying is theres sod all wrong with the last 2 trys saints scored...'"
I cannot say. I watched it on TV. |
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You can spout as much physics as you want gentleman.
The pass for Saints penultimate try was so far forward it's probably doing the rounds on US TV as pass of the week in the NFL, and the other one wasn't far behind.
Short of calling Swift & Makinson wide receivers Saints couldn't have pushed their luck and (apparently) the laws of physics any further if they'd tried.
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| Quote ="morrisseyisawire"You can spout as much physics as you want gentleman.
The pass for Saints penultimate try was so far forward it's probably doing the rounds on US TV as pass of the week in the NFL, and the other one wasn't far behind.
Short of calling Swift & Makinson wide receivers Saints couldn't have pushed their luck anyouyd (apparently) the laws of physics any further if they'd tried.'"
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