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| Quote ="Finfin"Isn't it strange how Huddersfield were so bad 2 weeks ago. Saints last week and Leeds this week. Any common denominator here?'"
i watched all of those games on sky and even you must admit that none of the above were exactly firing on all cylinders!
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| Quote ="runningman29"Serious discussion + doesn't take long for the knob childish replies to start.'"
not really, i think he must have thought your post would have been better posted on a wigan forum rather than a wire one? i know i did,and yes,i know its a rl forum,but still!plus id rather discuss how the wire team are fairing up rather than be bothered to discuss just how good the present wigan team is or isnt compaired to the past wigan team ,still each to their own i say.
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| IMO its the best Wigan team since the mid 1990s, its better than their Grand Final winning team of 1998, but it would not beat the side of 1995 and earlier.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"IMO its the best Wigan team since the mid 1990s, its better than their Grand Final winning team of 1998, but it would not beat the side of 1995 and earlier.'"
Very much agree with that, Sally.
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| Quote ="Oxford Exile"I think you are under-estimating how bad Leeds were...Yes Wigan are good...of course they are...but not that good.'"
In my opinion this Wigan side is already better than the 2010 grand final winning side. The vast improvement of players like Mcillorum and even Tomkins is astounding.
We may well need to re build for next year with Lima, Tommy, Carmont and maybe Finch going but we have shown against Leeds (who weren't great) that we do have depth
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| Quote ="wireflyer33"not really, i think he must have thought your post would have been better posted on a wigan forum rather than a wire one? i know i did,and yes,i know its a rl forum,but still!plus id rather discuss how the wire team are fairing up rather than be bothered to discuss just how good the present wigan team is or isnt compaired to the past wigan team
,still each to their own i say.'"
It was a statement I made tongue in cheek cos we all know what happens when a thread about wigan gets posted on the warrington forum. Tape measures at the ready
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| You can't compare the Wigan team of today to the Hanley , Edwards era as that team then was the only fully professional team in the league and had an unfair advantage over the others !
This new Wigan team is good but not better than us , and can be beaten by any team on a one off , but that's what the cap has brought to the competition !
It's looking like a two horse race again for the shield between us n pies but someone could go on a run but we still have plenty to come back in M Monnas and Sol and Myler at the right end of the season fresh and ready for battle !
So the answer is No ! Reasons above !
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| Wigan are in a rich vein of form at the moment, but so were we last season and people were saying that we were unbeatable. If people think back to last year there were constant mentions from Wigan fans that every time we handed out a hammering, the opposition were either understrength or out of form. Anyone with any sense should reserve judgement until after the GF.
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| Ridiculous thread, as ridiculous as when a few people on here floated the possibility that we were possibly the best team of the Super League era during a rush of blood last season.
Wigan are a very good team, in superb form and with a nucleus of top players who are working well together. But you can't look down that team list and say that there aren't a few players in there who could fall out of form as quickly as they got into it.
Only time will tell, but we won't do our own chances any good if we start to internalise the Phil Clarke rubbish.
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| You can only play as good as the other team lets you. Wigan stopped Leeds playing anything half decent and Leeds didnt do anything to stop Wigan playing the way they want to.
I woud say Wigan are a very good side, who are confident and on a rich vein of form. We was playing like this last season and got a shield for our efforst. So you cant compare them to a trophy winning side as they havent played this well at the business end of the season, like them past teams did.
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| IMO it will take a big effort from one of the other teams to prevent our teams contesting both finals this year. I'd be amazed if we aren't at least facing off at Wembley.
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| Wigan are breathtaking at the moment. I get the feeling though that if they ever lost Tomkins for a significant length of time they'd really struggle. Everything in their attack is about him. Unbelievable player. Hopefully one day he will return to his favourite club.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"IMO its the best Wigan team since the mid 1990s, its better than their Grand Final winning team of 1998, but it would not beat the side of 1995 and earlier.'"
I think thats a very accurate assessment.
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| The Best Wigan Side ever.......Simply because every year Eddie Hemmings rants about this being the best superleague ever, and anyone from 6 clubs are in with a realistic chance of winning it, any club can beat any club on their day etc etc...
He's stuck two fingers up to his bosses and is no longer bigging up the sky Superleague.
Instead its quite simply a "One horse Race".........
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| Quote ="wireflyer33"i watched all of those games on sky and even you must admit that none of the above were exactly firing on all cylinders!'"
Do you not think that may be because Wigan dominated them and didn't let them play to their potential rather then us just getting lucky for 3 weeks on the spin?
FWIW my opinion is this- We're a good side, infact a very good one but we're doing nothing Wire weren't doing last year in ripping teams to shreds and ultimately it achieved very little (the league leaders shield is better then nowt but it's not the prize anybody really strives for). I don't buy in to peaking too soon but when winning the big trophies come down to playing knock out ties anything can happen as teams can raise their games to a level they can't get to on a consistent basis.
There's nothing between the Wigan and Warrington teams IMO. We're in better form but Wire are just ticking along nicely and will have a very fresh set of players come the business end.
I honestly can't see another side other then Wigan or Wire winning a trophy tbh.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Do you not think that may be because Wigan dominated them and didn't let them play to their potential rather then us just getting lucky for 3 weeks on the spin?
FWIW my opinion is this- We're a good side, infact a very good one but we're doing nothing Wire weren't doing last year in ripping teams to shreds and ultimately it achieved very little (the league leaders shield is better then nowt but it's not the prize anybody really strives for). I don't buy in to peaking too soon but when winning the big trophies come down to playing knock out ties anything can happen as teams can raise their games to a level they can't get to on a consistent basis.
There's nothing between the Wigan and Warrington teams IMO. We're in better form but Wire are just ticking along nicely and will have a very fresh set of players come the business end.
I honestly can't see another side other then Wigan or Wire winning a trophy tbh.'"
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| Quote ="PADDERS"You can't compare the Wigan team of today to the Hanley , Edwards era as that team then was the only fully professional team in the league and had an unfair advantage over the others !
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Wrong. Leeds went full time before Wigan
By the time Wigan went full time pro in 1991, we'd already won 2 World Club Championships, 3 league titles and 5 Challenge Cups between 1985 and 1991. Don't let that spoil your 'level playing field' argument though
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| Quote ="Jimmy Birts Lives On"Wrong. Leeds went full time before Wigan
By the time Wigan went full time pro in 1991, we'd already won 2 World Club Championships, 3 league titles and 5 Challenge Cups between 1985 and 1991. Don't let that spoil your 'level playing field' argument though
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| Quote ="Jimmy Birts Lives On"Wrong. Leeds went full time before Wigan
By the time Wigan went full time pro in 1991, we'd already won 2 World Club Championships, 3 league titles and 5 Challenge Cups between 1985 and 1991. Don't let that spoil your 'level playing field' argument though
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I agree this 'only full time team' argument to demean the achievements of the Wigan team in that era is a load of rubbish.
If you go back in time and make every team full time Wigan would still have had head and shoulders the best team.
Wigan had a group of all time greats in their line up back then which meant they were always going to dominate, to try and imply that Hanley, Edwards, Bell and co were only as successful as they were was because they were against amateurs is ridiculous.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Do you not think that may be because Wigan dominated them and didn't let them play to their potential rather then us just getting lucky for 3 weeks on the spin?
FWIW my opinion is this- We're a good side, infact a very good one but we're doing nothing Wire weren't doing last year in ripping teams to shreds and ultimately it achieved very little (the league leaders shield is better then nowt but it's not the prize anybody really strives for). I don't buy in to peaking too soon but when winning the big trophies come down to playing knock out ties anything can happen as teams can raise their games to a level they can't get to on a consistent basis.
There's nothing between the Wigan and Warrington teams IMO. We're in better form but Wire are just ticking along nicely and will have a very fresh set of players come the business end.
I honestly can't see another side other then Wigan or Wire winning a trophy tbh.'"
Well worded. I don't like Wiganers. But that 0.01% of Wiganers who are worth a conversation, you are that sir! The rest are still, and I stand by it, like ArcticGorilla etc, are s.
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| Quote ="back2back 09/10"I woud say Wigan are a very good side, who are confident and on a rich vein of form. We was playing like this last season and got a shield for our efforst. So you cant compare them to a trophy winning side as they havent played this well at the business end of the season, like them past teams did.'"
3 trophies in the last 2 seasons suggests otherwise.
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| Never judge a team from one performance. Wigan were very good, Leeds were very poor; neither are really as good or as poor as they showed on Friday night.
Wigan are playing well but so were we this time last year. Leeds were just as $hyte this time last year but reached both finals (winning one) and win the WCC. We scored 42 at Headingly ourselves last season. Who's to say that will be the best that Wigan play all season?
Let's see how the season goes, eh?
Comparing this Wigan side to their best ever side is like comparing last weekends sunny weather to the weather Summer after Summer in the Mediterranean and saying we have better Summers than Greece.
It's a quite ridiculous question to ask really.
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| Quote ="danburge82"Never judge a team from one performance. Wigan were very good, Leeds were very poor; neither are really as good or as poor as they showed on Friday night.
Wigan are playing well but so were we this time last year. Leeds were just as $hyte this time last year but reached both finals (winning one) and win the WCC. We scored 42 at Headingly ourselves last season. Who's to say that will be the best that Wigan play all season?
Let's see how the season goes, eh?
Comparing this Wigan side to their best ever side is like comparing last weekends sunny weather to the weather Summer after Summer in the Mediterranean and saying we have better Summers than Greece.
It's a quite ridiculous question to ask really.'" We'll see how ridiculous at the end of the season.I'll be having a little flutter for them to win the clean sweep + yes we might have scored 42 last season but if my memory serves me right we wasn't missing key players,that's what people seem to be forgetting + like previous posts have stated i don't buy into this the opposing team were excuse everytime a big score is piled on.That's like saying Utd were cack when City stuck 6 on them.
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| Quote ="Alfie Langer No2"Well worded. I don't like Wiganers. But that 0.01% of Wiganers who are worth a conversation, you are that sir! The rest are still, and I stand by it, like ArcticGorilla etc, are s.'"
Think you need to get out of your bedroom and go start talking to adults
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| Quote ="runningman29" yes we might have scored 42 last season but if my memory serves me right we wasn't missing key players,that's what people seem to be forgetting '"
it isnt that simple though is it?
which of the last two warrington sides produced the better performance :
the one with key players missing
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the one with a number of key players returning fresh and ready to go....?
or how about we rested players against widnes and put almost 70 points on em, and Wigan rested players against Widnes and got beat...........???
it doesnt mean anything does it? as does comparing what we did to leeds a year ago.....
we are making more mistakes than even the test side in the league and that can not be anything but a massive concern...........
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