Cant believe the way were playing, offloading all the time to no-one! TS needs to get a grip of this lot, what's wrong with up the jumper for 3 then spread it wide??

Everyone's trying to be a hero!

P****** me right off now



I know that's what lost us the game and no excuses but saint were holding down and offside at nearly every PTB

Just looked like the usual eccentric refereeing to me, wasn't great for both sides.

They weren't. It was us not respecting possession that cost us.

It was the Dad's Army not being able to back up after playing Wigan last week that cost you. Again.

errors = defence = knackered

Yeah, that's it. Nail on the head.

It happens far too often for it to be a coincidence.

the only consolation is that we didnt get dicked tonight because we deserved it.

Get real, we were the better team end of. You held down just has much, and we got penalised for the couple of times we were offside.

nothing to do with the ref.

Yeah, happens all the time. Like when we beat Saints and Leeds back to back early last season, and when we beat Catalan away then Wigan at home the next week towards the end. Are you always spot on with your posts?

For me, you offload the ball when you get your body turned around and you can see your own man. If you're two or three scores up then maybe start the no-look, chancy off-loads. And to be honest I don't like seeing these out-the-back flick passes ever, they might come off once a game and that's it.

However we're trying the no-look, chancy off-loads and the flick passes all the time. At 0-0, 0-6 and 0-22 we were doing it, we were doing everything wrong.

Appalling offence tonight and I think we've got away with quite a few results this season, as I don't think we've played well once yet.

What happened after you played us at our place last year?



Also, what happened after your second ever play off win or your last Wembley appearance?

We were shocking, and if we'd carried on the way we did in the first 40 I'd be calling for some big names to be dropped. As it is we at least showed a bit of pride in the second half. It was still a thorough trouncing, but one we can't be surprised at. We've not looked interested all season and eventually a team with enthusiasm was going to hurt us, Wakefield nearly did it and Saints could have really put us to the sword tonight.

I think Mick Monas is WAAAAAAAAAAY off the pace and I'd really like Dwyer to be getting on the bench and getting some game time with it. Our pack needs a rocket up it, the amount of go forward we're getting off them is embarrassing but really, they just need to watch a couple of clips from last season and remember how we played then!!!

All in all, maybe this is the best time to get a boot up the backside, I'll be very interested to see how the players respond from this. If it's not positive, there should be some of them booted out of the side for a few weeks to get the hunger back.

We beat you with ease?

So you're implying that sometimes some teams win games and sometimes they lose games. Now I'm no rocket scientist but I think every single sporting team and individual does the same thing.

Why are you here again?

You've read it wrong, love.

DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!!!!!!!!!

I'm not saying that it was cos of saints that we lost... As Stated in my first post!

Typical st Helen's folk .......... STUPID!

We were s**t tonight end of

TS NEEDS TO GET A GRIP

Personally thought it was on the cards, was hoping we'd get away with it again but no.

If someone recorded the game and Clarkey does his stats, in the first half i think we got a full set in twice, TWICE!

I may be wrong but if i'm not that is absolutely pathetic.

This may not seem to be an issue for the players[dropped ball as one player alluded to in an interview but it is for the fans, it's getting beyond a joke.

We need to play slightly deeper and work it a little quicker.
At the game fans were shouting that Saints were offside, personally i think it was an illusion brought on by our play being so slow.

Not sure how many we managed but our first completed set came on 26 minutes ...SHOCKING

You weren't rubbish tonight, just tired.

Apologies. Maybe Wigan should learn how to back up tough games against the Dragons and not fail the next week. It happens too much to be a coincidence.

What happened after your wembley appearance last year? Or after your playoff win last year? Need to learn how to back things up, your older players are letting you down.

This

I thought he had a good game. We were the reason lost.

In the pub with beer, feeling OK. Not the end of the world is it? Saints deserved to win end of.

Sorry, but pish from beginning to end tonight.

The first half, we might as well as fielded Johnathon Ross' 4 mates and their piano, as apposed to our front 6. Dross.
As someone earlier posted, MonaghanM is so far off the pace, it's untrue.

Waterhouse is far from showing ANYTHING like NRL form.

Wood and Carvell look like they'd struggle to break into Swinton's starting pack at the mo.

Do we ACTUALLY have a plan B, when things go wrong. We continue to chuck the ball around like a live handgranade, when we are under the cosh. Keep hold of the ball for a couple of sets of six, and get a foothold back in the game. USE YOUR BRAINS, WIRE.

Plus points
Hill (again)
Higham (looking a lot better now)
Riley (again)

To even think about putting 1% of the blame Ben Thaler's way, is not only wrong, but pathetic. We stunk the house out, tonight. Thank God it's only Widnes next. Mind you, those simpletons 13 miles up the road got turned over by them, the other week.

No complacency Wire.

Onwards and upwards.