Thought he called it a day the day he went to the darkside.

I think it'd be pushing it a bit to suggest he ever made it at international level in Union....

I think you're probably right - not an advantage but a difference - certainly not a disadvantage as it was apparently portrayed in Sally's original post. It just gets a bit dull and wearing - the constant apologista posts, be it related to union, wigan or whatever

Through work I spent a while with his brother, Andy was a nice bloke and would always autograph things or provide goods for charity. Can't blame him for having ago at the sport that shall not speak his name.

As much as I can't stand the guy, as far as I'm concerned he was one of the best players I have ever seen. His sheer will and presence was immense. He carried Wigan for a year playing prop and probably the best leader I have seen. I'd have gladly had him at Warrington, much as it pains me to say it

I didnt say he made it, I just said he became an international - a bit like BJ Mather