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| strong rumours this morning that sale sharks will opt for a move to barton instead of redeveloping edgeley park home of stockport county. As a season ticket holder of both county and salford my opinions are devided. What are your opinions? as a county fan i want to see the back of them . Many say the have bled the club dry taking the ground removing any hospitality and banqueting profits. Increasing the rent for next season after promising not to. Unsure what will happen if sale do move on and land in the new home of the reds a club i have followed for 25years. Am caught in the middle of this one.
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| personally don't care, we are tenants at the stadium anyway so won't have any input as to the decision, it will mean the sale sharks will have to rebrand themselves as the Salford Sharks of course, then we would change to the MANCHESTER CITY REDS and how wrong would that be on so many levels. Maybe change to the BLUES and Sheik Mansour would buy JW out and turn us into winners.............mmmmm never gonna happen thank God
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| most of that statement is on the back of local paper in stockport today. For the info and the opinion of most county fans they dont give a about stockport county and to be fair why should they
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| Doesn't Kennedy own Edgley Park?
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| County fans (at least the ones I know, and I work near the ground) want Sale out. Kennedy is not seen as a friend of County. Yes he does but his investment is very low.
Sadly I feel the future at the stadium is to share, and eventually become the junior tenant, with Sale. This has been on the cards once we allowed Peel the guiding hand in the project. Peel will want, as always, to maximise their earnings and this will not take into any consideration our feelings. If it means pushing Salford into 2nd or 3rd place in utilisation of the stadium, so be it.
Also Kennedy was reported in the Telegraph as being very concerned with the funding streams he can attract in his present home. barton is better placed for this.
I have posted many times on this and can be seen as pessimistic when it comes to our future with Sale and Peel.
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| [iAt the end of the day as long as the Salford City Reds are playing at Barton in the Super League I don't care which ever other teams play there games at the new stadium.[/i
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| Anyone on here ho seriously thought/thinks that we will be playing in barton alone is a MUG !I have believed all along that Sale will be a major tenants with us.The investors in the stadium are gonna want some returns asap and playing 14 or 15 games of rugby league a year there doesnt make sense! TIME TO FACE REALITY FOLKS
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| I don't have a problem with it as long as one doesn't undermine the other. As long as things are fair and equal, crack on. We might even attract some cross-code new support. There's very little chance of local RL supporters defecting to watch the kick and giggle, but maybe a few might come across the other way, if they want to see proper Rugby.
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| I totally welcome Sale moving in... I don't like the kick and clap... but if there is nothing to do during the winter and I fancy taking in a game, then it's on my doorstep. I don't really care who comes in and plays there as long as Salford are playing there in the summer in Super League.
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| Feels to me like when you've been given a gift for your birthday or Christmas only to find that your big brother/sister has more use for said gift than you have and you never actually feel as though you owned said gift and the giver actually wished they had thought of giving them the said gift first.
Considering the stadium has wholey from its concept been built as the new home of Salford City Reds I can only ever imagine if Sale were to move in, that Salford City Reds will be squeezed even further into the unknown as far as public awareness goes. People crossing the Barton Bridge will look down upon it and instantly say 'Oh thats where Sale's new ground is - nice'.
I just read on the link to the other forum the Sale supporters are already calling it [iour[/i ground?
I'm not naive enough to believe the stadium would ever have been soley used by Salford RL but I definately fear the worst for Salford RL or RL IN Salford if Sale were to allow to ground share.
RU has muddied the waters of RL for over a hundred years and I would suggest that the higher authorities on this one think very carefully before ever allowing the kick and clap brigade 1 inch through the door of any negotiation table for a ground share with them. Bet media city are having a field day on this one.
I for one hope this rumour is way off the mark and I could easily think of a 100 ways to make use of the stadium than share it with a RU team.
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| Quote ="LoyalFan"I totally welcome Sale moving in... I don't like the kick and clap... but if there is nothing to do during the winter and I fancy taking in a game, then it's on my doorstep.'"
That statement alone should set off huge alarm bells at Salford Council HQ.
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| Quote "But clearly Salford is one option that we are considering very seriously and it's one that the powers that be are keen on. We're in the process of discussions and negotiations and we don't know where that is going to end."'"
Quote ..with the Rugby League season running from February to September, there would be little cross-over with the Union calendar, and its location at the hub of Greater Manchester's motorway network would make it an ideal for vast majority of the Sharks' fanbase....Its large banqueting suite and 12 hospitality boxes would also help Sale generate more commercial revenue from blue-chip home fixtures, an area where Edgeley is sorely lacking at present....We're weighing up all the possibilities and there are clearly possibilities in Salford as well as with Edgeley Park and elsewhere. There's a lot of things to consider," Kennedy revealed'"
Quote "I think what's happened with the cuts and the change at the election has made the Stockport option more difficult," Kennedy admitted.'"
Sounds to me fairly well advanced and a strong possibility of Sale using the venue next season for a selection of games & for the 2012/13 season full time . Who can stop them if the ' powers that be are keen on it ' ...
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| Quote ="The Black Cat"
I for one hope this rumour is way off the mark and I could easily think of a 100 ways to make use of the stadium than share it with a RU team.'"
the award for the most ludicrous statement of the day goes to....................
100 ways? and most would make money beacuse that would be the criteria?
At last the answer to Salford City Reds marketing team worries, anyone who can make statement like that should have no problem upping our crowd to 6, 7 or even 8 thousand.
You sir exaggerate more than the supporter counters at Leigh, Hull KR put together.
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| I would welcome them for revenue purposes......plus they will stock the bar with Pimms
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Letting the sharks in would spell disaster for the Reds, they are parasites of the worst kind. Poor relations here we come. If you don't know what a Sale shark looks like check this out...
www.environmentalgraffiti.com/fe ... orms/10497
I sincerely hope this rumpour uis just a rumour and it does not happen.
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Letting the sharks in would spell disaster for the Reds, they are parasites of the worst kind. Poor relations here we come. If you don't know what a Sale shark looks like check this out...
www.environmentalgraffiti.com/fe ... orms/10497
I sincerely hope this rumpour uis just a rumour and it does not happen.
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| Quote ="shed head"the award for the most ludicrous statement of the day goes to....................
100 ways? and most would make money beacuse that would be the criteria?
At last the answer to Salford City Reds marketing team worries, anyone who can make statement like that should have no problem upping our crowd to 6, 7 or even 8 thousand.
You sir exaggerate more than the supporter counters at Leigh, Hull KR put together.'"
I'd start off with a tiddlywinks competition I may even think of a thousand ways but what the hell has it got to do with you anyone with half a brain cell could think of ideas, (I'm sure there are plenty in place) putting them into practice is where it counts and I don't recall stating I would?
What I did state is I would not want Sale RU anywhere near the stadium which was built in its first instance as home to Salford City Reds! Think before you respond to anything I write next time
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| Quote ="REDRUM"I would welcome them for revenue purposes......plus they will stock the bar with Pimms
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And what revenue would that be? We're not going to own the ground - we won't see any revenue from Sale moving in.
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| Quote ="GT"And what revenue would that be? We're not going to own the ground - we won't see any revenue from Sale moving in.'"
Head. Nail. On.
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| Quote ="GT"And what revenue would that be? We're not going to own the ground - we won't see any revenue from Sale moving in.'"
Can only assume the poster means a lower shared rent.
Forgetting Sale for a minute, I think what you have to consider here is that it's surely in the council and peel's interests that Salford are more succesful at Barton than the Willows. If Salford have the burden of higher rent initially then this will be less to spend on the team. The stronger the team is in the longer term with hopefully improved crowds the more potential for the stadium management company to make more money further down the line.
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| Quote ="theredshed"Can only assume the poster means a lower shared rent.
Forgetting Sale for a minute I think what you have to consider here is that it's surely in the council and peel's interests that Salford are more succesful at Barton than the Willows. If Salford have the burden of higher rent then this will be less to spend on the team.'"
The concern comes if Kennedy sells Edgeley Park and from that is able to buy a controlling share in the CoS Stadium, and is then able to whack the rent up as he sees fit, as Stockport are finding out.
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| Quote ="theredshed"Can only assume the poster means a lower shared rent.
Forgetting Sale for a minute, I think what you have to consider here is that it's surely in the council and peel's interests that Salford are more succesful at Barton than the Willows. If Salford have the burden of higher rent initially then this will be less to spend on the team. The stronger the team is in the longer term with hopefully improved crowds the more potential for the stadium management company to make more money further down the line.'"
You're assuming our rent would be lower due to the ground being shared. It wouldn't surprise me if that had no effect on it whatsoever, but I could just be being overly cynical.
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| Quote ="Leyther_Matt"The concern comes if Kennedy sells Edgeley Park and from that is able to buy a controlling share in the CoS Stadium, and is then able to whack the rent up as he sees fit, as Stockport are finding out.'"
And that is where my concern lies. Hopefully the coucil wouldn't allow this to happen, but that is he inherent concern I have. I can live with them sharing a stadium, but I fear for us being at Kennedy's mercy.
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| Quote ="Leyther_Matt"The concern comes if Kennedy sells Edgeley Park and from that is able to buy a controlling share in the CoS Stadium, and is then able to whack the rent up as he sees fit, as Stockport are finding out.'"
I think Mr Kennedy has learned the hard way from buying a stadium and infuriating the other tenants. He's become extremely unpopular in Stockport and I think this is one of the main reasons Sale are looking to move.
Quote ="GT"You're assuming our rent would be lower due to the ground being shared. It wouldn't surprise me if that had no effect on it whatsoever, but I could just be being overly cynical.'"
Like I said the Council and Peel will not want this to fail. Is it worth trying to really maximise early profits for the sake of the longer term potential?
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| Quote ="theredshed"I think Mr Kennedy has learned the hard way from buying a stadium and infuriating the other tenants. He's become extremely unpopular in Stockport and I think this is one of the main reasons Sale are looking to move.'"
Even the alternative is that Kennedy buys the stadium, leaves the rent the same but then takes all the income from the catering and hospitality etc (though will Salford see much of that anyway?)
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