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| Does Warrington taking Huddersfield apart suggest that we're not that dreadful after all? At least we weren't on our own turf last week.
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| your right and we did manage to score 16 pts.
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| Certainly puts it into a bit of perspective
If Wire had got their kicks today it would have been 72 - 4, so maybe 68 - 16 wasn't quite so bad after all !!!!
And I didn't hear the Hudds fans singing sloop John B!! No sense of fun
Hate to say it, but Warrington are pretty impressive at the moment
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| Then again you ....
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| As much as very few of us like them I think it's great for Super League that Warrington are going well at the minute.
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| just proves if you have the most money you can get the best, plus again we have Warrington unsettling a team half way through a season by getting their best player tied in for next year.
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| [iToday as we are saw the Warrington Wolves rip apart the Huddersfield Giants and all credit goes to them.
But to be honest everything went the Wolves way today and very little went for the Giants.
The game was very much like last weeks performance by Salford City Reds up at Murrayfield and it proved once again that if your not up to scratch on any given day you will get taken to the sword.
On the 'RED BUTTON' coverage after the game the ex Warrington player Jonathan Davies hit the nail on the head when asked about head coaches these days when such a result goes against you.
He stated that at the end of the day when the players cross the white wash it's up to them to perform and there is nothing a coach can do about anything out on the paddock.
We at Salford City Reds are facing this sort of thing more or less every week this season and quite a lot of our fans are calling for Shaun McRae's head but at the end of the day he does not drop the ball or miss any tackles.
Here's hoping all the Salford City Reds players watched this afternoon's cup game from the Galpharm and next weekend when we entertain the mighty St Helens they come out all guns blazing and fight fire with fire because if we don't I can see Saints racking up a massive score against us.
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| Quote ="Diavolo Rosso":1vjwkhm8As much as very few of us like them I think it's great for Super League that Warrington are going well at the minute.'"
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| Quote ="Bigpev"just proves if you have the most money you can get the best, plus again we have Warrington unsettling a team half way through a season by getting their best player tied in for next year.'"
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The departing Huddersfield Giants full-back started today's game well strapped up and he did not even look fit to play to me from the first minute.
I firmly believe the Giants coach today should have left his full back out of the team today because as you have hinted his head may not have been right?
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| Quote ="Iain"Does Warrington taking Huddersfield apart suggest that we're not that dreadful after all? At least we weren't on our own turf last week.'"
[iThe Huddersfield Giants players simply gave up this afternoon after about 25 minutes and when you see any group of players do this there can only be one end result.
At least last week up at Murrayfield our boys did try and keep going to the end sadly today the Giants did not and fully got what they deserved a bloody good smacking.
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| Quote ="BartonFlyer"Certainly puts it into a bit of perspective
If Wire had got their kicks today it would have been 72 - 4, so maybe 68 - 16 wasn't quite so bad after all !!!!
And I didn't hear the Hudds fans singing sloop John B!! No sense of fun
Hate to say it, but Warrington are pretty impressive at the moment'"
SMITH REVEALS WARRINGTON INSPIRATION
[iWarrington Wolves head-coach Tony Smith revealed that a visit from a wounded soldier provided the inspiration for his side's emphatic 60-4 Carnegie Challenge Cup fifth-round win over Huddersfield today.
Corporal Simon Brown, who suffered horrific facial injuries in the conflict in Afghanistan, gave a speech to the Wolves players during their preparations for the latest defence of their trophy.
"He came to speak to us in the week and I'd like to thank him for the inspiration he gave us," said Smith.
"It helped keep us grounded. He's lost sight in one eye and most of the sight in the other eye and, when you hear those sort of stories, it really comes home to roost.
"I'm not saying it was all down to Simon Brown but it was worthwhile. From that, the players had to go out and they did perform."
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| I think the Wire/Shudds results shows two things;
- Wire are better than we'd given them credit for (so perhaps we're not as bad as we thought?)
- Hudds aren't as good as some people thought (so perhaps our win against them wasn't that impressive?)
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| Quote ="Fatboys Limb"I think the Wire/Shudds results shows two things;
- Wire are better than we'd given them credit for (so perhaps we're not as bad as we thought?)
- Hudds aren't as good as some people thought (so perhaps our win against them wasn't that impressive?)'"
Both of these things. IMO.
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| Warrington are a real force this season and have quality all over the team, you just cant afford to turn over the ball / conceed silly penalities in dangerous areas because they will punish you.
Which is what happened in Scotland to us.
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| Wonder how many club accounts Warrington have in order to keep them under the salary cap
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| Quote ="Hillbilly_Red"schadenfreude.'"
Isn't that what being a sports fan is all about?
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| Quote ="red13pjb"Wonder how many club accounts Warrington have in order to keep them under the salary cap
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sigh why is it when we are now doing well people have to keep refering to salary cap,
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| Quote ="PHOTO FINISH"[i
We at Salford City Reds are facing this sort of thing more or less every week this season and quite a lot of our fans are calling for Shaun McRae's head but at the end of the day he does not drop the ball or miss any tackles.
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Nor did karl H .....he was given 3 year contract, that I guess is still being paid...how further on are we ? we have to rely on loans from other clubs......move him sideways I say, just like Souths.....put Alan Hunte in charge
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| Because you have bought your way to the success you have got and continue to buy (Brett Hodgson!). No-one can deny that wire have signed an awful lot of high profile players who will not be playing for peanuts.
Also it seems funny to me that as soon as the salary cap "went live" so to speak there have been no breaches of it. What suddenly the clubs have all cleaned up their acts and the players are accepting less money?!? If only all of the RFL's legislation was as successful!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Or it could just be that we have a calculator, pen and paper, good players and an excellent coach.
If there is anything amiss, SL will find out.
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| Quote ="red13pjb"Because you have bought your way to the success you have got and continue to buy (Brett Hodgson!). No-one can deny that wire have signed an awful lot of high profile players who will not be playing for peanuts.
Also it seems funny to me that as soon as the salary cap "went live" so to speak there have been no breaches of it. What suddenly the clubs have all cleaned up their acts and the players are accepting less money?!? If only all of the RFL's legislation was as successful!!!!!!!!!!!!!'"
Bought our success? we're not allowed to pay anymore than salford are allowed to pay?
Likewise, is selling our supposed best player last season in gleeson, then the squad improving 'buying our way to success'
And whilst you find it funny now there's no breaches under the live cap, you'll find it hilarious to know that warrington have never broken the salary cap since its inception. The RFL usually audit us first cos we divvn't fook aboot and use us the benchmark for the rest of SL.
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| Yes you are allowed to pay more than Salford since your income is more than ours and the first stipulation of the cap is a percentage of income. The ceiling of 1.2 million (I may stand corrected on that figure!) is way above the percentage that Salford are allowed to pay out because of this low income. Therefore clubs like Wire can go further in paying their players than we can which shows that Salary Cap does not do what it's ultimate objective is and that is to level the playing field somewhat.
Secondly, you signed what many would consider to be our best player from last season (Myler) after we had offered him a record contract to stay with us. How much must you be paying him if he can turn down a contract like that? (and before anyone claims he went to Wire to win things and further his international claims, do you think Mr 10% Offiah really let him accept less money to go there than we offered him?)
Thirdly, I find it funny (that's peculiar not ha ha) that there have been no breaches of the cap since going live from all clubs particularly the habitual offenders of Wigan, Saints and Bradford. Are we really so naive to believe that this is true. I've obviously touched a nerve with my tongue in cheek comment (look at the winks that appear on my original post!!!).
Lastly, improving your squad with big name signings is exactly buying your way to success. I wish we could do it; within the confines of the cap of course, but we can't!
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| Quote ="red13pjb"Yes you are allowed to pay more than Salford since your income is more than ours and the first stipulation of the cap is a percentage of income. The ceiling of 1.2 million (I may stand corrected on that figure!) is way above the percentage that Salford are allowed to pay out because of this low income. Therefore clubs like Wire can go further in paying their players than we can which shows that Salary Cap does not do what it's ultimate objective is and that is to level the playing field somewhat.'"
Salford are allowed to spend just as much as Warrington. Our (lack of) income means that we can't. The cap being a percentage of income was scrapped a few years back.
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| Explaination of the "live cap"
Richard Lewis: Hello Mr Lewis here from Red Hall,
Club Cheif Exec:- Oh hello Mr Lewis what can we do for you today?
RL: well its that time of month again, can I ask you a question?
CCE: yes what is it? fire away
RL: How you gone over the salary cap?
CCE: NO,
RL: Ok thanks for that will ring next month, same time bye.
CCE: bye until next time.
CCE hangs up and ss.
RL turns to the board after ringing all 14 clubs, there you are lads no one has breeched the salary cap, i told you this would work.
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