I've defended the doc in the past for what he's brought to our club and the sport in general, but when he does this I can't as it ultimately has a negative impact on the club.

Yes the Doc is a controversial character and doesn't give a flying Fc*uk what the RFL or other owners think of him, but at the end of the day he's putting by far the most money into the Sport and without him Salford would be in the Championship with only a dream of getting back into the Super League.

Despite all the off the field controversies and unfair treatment by the RFL, he's still not giving up and has attracted the most high profile coach in the game to the club Tim Sheens. I would say we've got the best team of players we've ever had and over the next 3 years we will undoubted turn into a top 6 side.

The RFL have to be very carefully with Koukash, if they him off enough, he will leave and it's going to have an adverse effect on attracting future investment to the sport.

How many clubs in Super League make a profit every year? 4? That means that the sport is ultimately dependent on wealthy fans like Koukash who decided to invest in there favorite club. Don't off the people who are putting their money in and who are more powerful than the people who run the game ie Nigel Wood and Blake Solly it will bite you in the !

So you think the game should be beholden to a few wealthy owners and their whims? That doesn't sound like a good plan for long term stability

Seems a bit rubbish that it will affect the current squad, especially since they've been one of the teams that have shaken up the beginning of this season and made the comp more interesting, turning over some of the "big" teams.
For me, if the allegations are true, any punishment should be on the owner (and/or whoever else was part of any arrangement devised to bypass the rules).
In racing, for instance, there are punishments that bar individuals from being involved in the sport for x years.

The Doc has obviously been reamed (to the point of prolapse no doubt) over the last few seasons buy fancy dan players, agents, advisers and in SOME cases by the RFL, you would wonder if the powers that be now take a line that as a business man he has lost what he cherishes most IE series amounts of money and levies at him/the club a less punitive punishment with a private any more and we pull the rug from under you.

I would also love to know who has been advising the Doc during all this, you can bet they have a pretty penny for this advice despite it on the surface being dubious to say the least.

What unfair treatment by the RFL are you referring to?

I know this might be controversial, but has anyone found anywhere where the RFL have stated the maximum penalty is 20 points?
The only thing I can see is that the RFL have stated is that they have "issued charges in relation to alleged breaches" of the salary cap. Notice the plural.
Now, my understanding (which is just MY understanding and might not be correct) is that each charge will carry a maximum penalty of 20 points.
So, if there are two charges (one for breaching the cap in 2014 and one for doing so in 2015) and each offence carries a maximum points dedication of 20 points, this is a possible total of 40 points.
Additionally, if there is a seperate charge for making undisclosed payments to players (which is a different operational rule from actually breaching the cap financially) there could be further deductions. For each player the club have paid outside the operational rules there could be a further 20 point penalty. So (just hypothetically of course) if payments outside the operational rules have been made to Puletua, Chase, Locke, Tim Smith and Hock that could potentially be a total further deduction of 100 points (we are up to 140 points so far).

I know it's unlikely, but they only FACTS we know are that there is more than one offence and every offence of breaching the operational rules carries a maximum deduction of 20 points.

If you think cockrash is good for this game then your f****n deluded....The sooner that cretin f***s off the better........

I think the Sports governing body should understand that the clubs are ultimately dependent on rich owners like Koukash, Beaumont, Pearson etc. There's only about 4/5 clubs that are self sustainable, if the RFL keep screwing over the people who are putting the most money into the game they will lose out on future investment in the Sports.

Hypothetically Marwan Koukash comes out of Salford now and goes to the press and claims he has lost £5m trying to do his best to help the game of RL but ultimately failed in the process. When someone with a few quids fancies financially supporting their club in the future they may see that and think twice before putting their hard earned cash in.

A lot of promises that were made to him when he took over the club.

Not many people know this but the RFL have taken away £50,000 funding per year away from our academy for the next 4 YEARS

Excessive fines just because he's got a few quid. Fielding 14 players fined £15,000 Saints did the same and got fined jack $h1t!

The ridiculous points deduction whats about to take place even though Wigan, Warrington, Catalan and Leeds are all miles over the cap too, or have been in the past but it's been simply swept under the carpet.

Honestly who the hell would even bother putting the money in it must drive you insane with these ar$e holes at Red Hall running the show.

You are Marwan Koukash and I claim my £5.00.

Where did I say that Koukash is good for the game?

Businessmen like himself and Simon Moran who are pouring millions into the sport are good for the game.

I'll say it again the sports is dependent on MILLIONAIRES money apart from a small amount of self-sustainable clubs, without them we have no game and we certainly won't be able to take the sport to the next level which is what we need to achieve in this country. The growth of Super League is awful compared to the NRL and Rugby Union.

I'm not and you can give me that £5 after Carney scores the winner next Sunday

Unfortunately I think this is more than likely.
It will certainly be interesting to see how he copes with the reception he will no doubt get from players and fans alike.
Just hope I don't have the pleasepurenormsitting next to Koukash again this year.

Evening sheriff still getting your jollies out off this
Guess it gives the sixth fingers some exercise

With all this talk that MK said publicly he would break the salary cap ,I don't ever recall him saying those words.I do remember him saying the cap was too low and he would like to pay his players more. Does anyone remember or have a link?

What promises were made? Which ones have not been kept?

Do other clubs get funding for their academy? Is it the same for every club? Why was the funding taken away?

How do you know there will be a ridiculous points deduction? How many points would have to be deducted for it to be ridiculous? Are you the arbiter?

Other clubs may be paying over the cap. You should give your evidence to the RFL.

I presume that the number of points will depend on the severity of the offence. It appears that as at least one player, Tony Puletua, had two contracts one of which was concealed until his tribunal. There would appear to have been some concealment of facts from the RFL. If this apparent dishonest practice is proved I would expect any punishment to be quite severe. I am not aware that such dishonesty has been proved to have occurred in other instances of cap breaking so comparisons of punishment with previous examples of cap breaking would seem to be pointless.

Quote ="oldhamred"With all this talk that MK said publicly he would break the salary cap ,I don't ever recall him saying those words.I do remember him saying the cap was too low and he would like to pay his players more. Does anyone remember or have a link?'" www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-lea ... an-1876981 www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... lford.html

Quote ="oldhamred"With all this talk that MK said publicly he would break the salary cap ,I don't ever recall him saying those words.I do remember him saying the cap was too low and he would like to pay his players more. Does anyone remember or have a link?'" www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-lea ... an-1876981 www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... lford.html

oldhamred wrote: With all this talk that MK said publicly he would break the salary cap ,I don't ever recall him saying those words.I do remember him saying the cap was too low and he would like to pay his players more. Does anyone remember or have a link? www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-lea ... an-1876981 www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... lford.html Fair enough . ...Then again, could it actually be proved he said these things. We all know what journalists are like..

oldhamred wrote: With all this talk that MK said publicly he would break the salary cap ,I don't ever recall him saying those words.I do remember him saying the cap was too low and he would like to pay his players more. Does anyone remember or have a link? www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-lea ... an-1876981 www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... lford.html Fair enough . ...Then again, could it actually be proved he said these things. We all know what journalists are like..

Quote ="oldhamred"oldhamred wrote: With all this talk that MK said publicly he would break the salary cap ,I don't ever recall him saying those words.I do remember him saying the cap was too low and he would like to pay his players more. Does anyone remember or have a link? www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-lea ... an-1876981 www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... lford.html Fair enough . ...Then again, could it actually be proved he said these things. We all know what journalists are like..'" Owing to the fact Koukash was going to sue Locke, Hock, Puletua, Salford City Council and Leigh I would imagine he would have taken some kind of action if these nationally published direct quotes were inaccurate ( or at least threatened to do so).

Quote ="oldhamred"oldhamred wrote: With all this talk that MK said publicly he would break the salary cap ,I don't ever recall him saying those words.I do remember him saying the cap was too low and he would like to pay his players more. Does anyone remember or have a link? www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-lea ... an-1876981 www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... lford.html Fair enough . ...Then again, could it actually be proved he said these things. We all know what journalists are like..'" Owing to the fact Koukash was going to sue Locke, Hock, Puletua, Salford City Council and Leigh I would imagine he would have taken some kind of action if these nationally published direct quotes were inaccurate ( or at least threatened to do so).

I think seeing our Cas friends return to these boards, bodes well for the outcome of this particular incident.

If only everyone thought my presence bided well for success I would be a rich man.....

I don't get the 10 page issue. We've broken the cap, it's in black and white and we have to face the consequences. Ultimately it is Marwan Koukash's fault, just as he should be praised for appointing Tim Sheens he should be criticised for breaking operational rules.

We deserve to be punished accordingly and hopefully any such deductions will be similar to those who have done the same before us.

As others have echoed, you could stomach it if we'd been reasonably successful but to break the cap on that bunch of sh*t was a waste.

Has it been proved that other clubs have been guilty of breaking the cap in the same way that it seems Salford has done? Surely giving at least one player two contracts only one of which appears to have been declared to the RFL is a very serious offence and any punishment should reflect this. Breaches by other clubs cannot be compared without knowing the details of the breaches. Any deductions should only be similar to those who have done the same before you if the offence was similar.

I agree, take the punishment.

But what I would do if I were the Doc is name names if he has evidence of other clubs doing this.