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Salford Red Devils have been found guilty by an independent tribunal of breaching the RFL Operational Rules and Salary Cap Regulations concerning contractual arrangements made with three players in 2014 and 2015.
The tribunal, chaired by His Honour, Judge Peter Charlesworth, found that Salford had committed a serious breach of the rules including exceeding the finite salary limit of £1.825 million in 2014. As a result the tribunal decided that the club should be fined £5000 and deducted six points. The points deduction will be imposed immediately.
The tribunal also found Salford not guilty of a number of offences concerning contractual arrangements with two players.
The club have 14 days from receipt of the written reasons for the decision in which to lodge an appeal.
- See more at: www.rugby-league.com/article/373 ... 9naQj.dpuf |
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Salford Red Devils have been found guilty by an independent tribunal of breaching the RFL Operational Rules and Salary Cap Regulations concerning contractual arrangements made with three players in 2014 and 2015.
The tribunal, chaired by His Honour, Judge Peter Charlesworth, found that Salford had committed a serious breach of the rules including exceeding the finite salary limit of £1.825 million in 2014. As a result the tribunal decided that the club should be fined £5000 and deducted six points. The points deduction will be imposed immediately.
The tribunal also found Salford not guilty of a number of offences concerning contractual arrangements with two players.
The club have 14 days from receipt of the written reasons for the decision in which to lodge an appeal.
- See more at: www.rugby-league.com/article/373 ... 9naQj.dpuf | |
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A bit unlucky.
I think 4 points would have been more appropriate, but perhaps your Chairman's tweets might have not helped the cause.
2001 - Wakefield Trinity - Salary Cap Breach - 2 points
2003 - Halifax - Salary Cap Breach - 2 points
2003 - Hull - Salary Cap Breach - 2 points
2003 - St Helens - Salary Cap Breach - 2 points
2006 - Bradford - Salary Cap Breach - 2 points
2006 - Wigan - Salary Cap Breach - 2 points
2007 - Bradford - Salary Cap Breach - 2 points
2007 - Wigan - Salary Cap Breach - 4 points
2011 - Wakefield Trinity - Administration - 4 points
2011 - Crusaders - Administration - 4 points
2012 - Bradford - Administration - 6 points
2013 - Salford - Fielding Extra Man - 2 points
2014 - Bradford - Administration - 6 points
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| Quote ="Gadger"=#FF0000Id say we're still 3 wins better than hkr and wakey, and Leeds on current form but I expect them to improve. We still have a chance. But clearly cup is best chance
I hope we don't appeal, take our punishment and move on'"
You're 3 wins better than us at Cas mate the way we performed against HKR.
On a more serious note what happens now? as some have already said the sensible way forward would be to take the 6 point deduction and crack on. The worst scenario would be the middle eights and I can't see you having any problems coming through them and I doubt if attendances would suffer much.
The problem is Marwan has once again put his foot in it by saying (I think) that he would go to war with the RFL if points are deducted. Does he go ahead and get the club in more trouble or does he back track and lose face?
At least you should get through to the next round of the CC te way we are playing which should help to pay off the fine. |
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Regardless of what happens on the field, this is going to be a bigger disaster off it.
Koukash has gone off on another rant on twitter blasting the RFL and has retweeted tweets implying the Catalan Dragons are also breaking the salary cap and they should be investigated.
I wonder what potential sponsors and possible corporate hospitality guests make of the club now?
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Those 4 points we could/should have picked up against Wigan and Wire looking costly now. We can still make the 8 but would take a massive effort and a level of consistency for the remaining games that we tend to struggle for. 3 wins from the next 4 games is now imperative and let's see where we stand then.
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Normally I leave your opinions to one side, SM, as many are less a half-empty pint but a whinge about the glass as well. However, in this case can we not have a bit of reality? There are parts of the tribunal that have gone in our way. We are very capable of winning the "mid-eights" (allowing for injuries). Carney has signed for us (as you said AND I DOUBTED). In my estimation, it could have been a lot worse.
As for potential sponsors (etc.), show them an opportunity to market their goods and services and we could be running a club based on Games of Thrones ethics. I doubt they'll be put off by the chances to make money, save taxes, and build business links. All we have to do is to present those possibilities.
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More than deserved 6 point deduction. We actively sought to break the salary cap by executing backhanded agreements which were only brought to light once said agreements weren't paid. After the costs of settling Puletua's tribunal, the associated legal fees and now the £5k fine, 6 point deduction and associated legal fees in preparing a defence I bet Marwan is wishing he paid Puletua's £48k second year instalment as he did with the year one instalment.
It's more frustrating that this current group of players are facing the consequences of poor administration from 2014 on players who weren't worth the contracts they were signed up on.
I'm just glad it's done and we can move on.
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Salford will now finish in the bottom 4,A top 8 spot looked achievable,this means the championship clubs looking for promotion probably facing harder opposition.They to also suffering with this decision.
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6 points What a joke
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| Quote ="Gadger"Id say we're still 3 wins better than hkr and wakey, and Leeds on current form but I expect them to improve. We still have a chance. But clearly cup is best chance
I hope we don't appeal, take our punishment and move on'"
You weren't three wins better in the first half of the season, what makes you think you will be in the second half? |
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Sky sports news are reporting that Salford are to appeal the six point deduction. If they fail would an extra game be added, I think I remember a precedent being set in the past.
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| Quote ="JINJER"Sky sports news are reporting that Salford are to appeal the six point deduction. If they fail would an extra game be added, I think I remember a precedent being set in the past.'"
Oh poop.
It is worth the risk appealing? Unless he is just appealing the severity of the 6 points?
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We surely have nothing to lose by appealing. Even reducing the deduction to 4 points would make a huge difference. An even if it were increased due to the appeal were already joint bottom so no worse off.
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Dependant on what is being appealed against.Tricky one, as more deductions in points could be placed on next season.Is it worth it?
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I'm all for the club appealing this as it was an 'unfair hearing'. A bit far out but, I also think the cap is outdated and potentially a restriction on a players ability to play/trade and a the size of a clubs squad?? Maybe nonsense but just a thought.
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Six points deduction. I feel like we've got off quite softly. hardly a deterrent is it, breaking the Salary Cap Regulations. We're lucky, now let's move on and aim for eighth place. Forget the appeal, draw a line under it and move on.
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Couple of points on this , how can a punishment be so retrospective ? Surely this "live " cap was meant to be monitored on a month by month basis , so why wasn't that done , who is going to be held responsible for that ? Football can learn a lot from our game , but can you really see this happenning in football banning someone two years after the event ?
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Impossible to monitor a live cap when the club agreed backhanded deals, which were totally separate to the cap. The cap was monitored and we passed as you would expect. The fact we were paying these payments only came to the RFL's attention during Tony Puletuas employment tribunal.
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Baffling that people are still arguing the toss on this one. Caught red-handed, got off lightly all told, chalk this season off, start afresh next year...
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The six points could be the difference between the top 8 and the play offs but unlike previous years it will not spell automatic relegation. I doubt you will have anything to fear from playing in the middle 8's because all the super league clubs in the bottom 4 last season have improved markedly including my own Wakefield.
I guess the appeal is a no lose because if they decrease the points you benefit and if they increase them you are actually no worse off. They may increase the fine but that too is not too onerous an amount for your chairman.
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| Quote ="atomic"Dependant on what is being appealed against.Tricky one, as more deductions in points could be placed on next season.Is it worth it?'"
...or any addition could be applied in the middle eights comp, should they not now escape the bottom 4. The RFL went ahead and changed the league structures without thinking about if all its bye laws / rules were now fit for purpose. The other one they missed was the signing deadline. |
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| Quote ="Gadger"Id say we're still 3 wins better than hkr and wakey, and Leeds on current form but I expect them to improve. We still have a chance. But clearly cup is best chance
I hope we don't appeal, take our punishment and move on'"
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| Quote ="chissitt"Shame you couldn't beat Wakey then you'd have been 4 wins better than them
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Not sure why the eye roll, it's an opinion. You beat us because you played better on the day. You are on good form. I think over the course of a season we are a few wins better. That OK? |
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| Quote ="saint at wire"A bit unlucky.
I think 4 points would have been more appropriate, but perhaps your Chairman's tweets might have not helped the cause.
2001 - Wakefield Trinity - Salary Cap Breach - 2 points
2003 - Halifax - Salary Cap Breach - 2 points
2003 - Hull - Salary Cap Breach - 2 points
2003 - St Helens - Salary Cap Breach - 2 points
2006 - Bradford - Salary Cap Breach - 2 points
2006 - Wigan - Salary Cap Breach - 2 points
2007 - Bradford - Salary Cap Breach - 2 points
2007 - Wigan - Salary Cap Breach - 4 points
2011 - Wakefield Trinity - Administration - 4 points
2011 - Crusaders - Administration - 4 points
2012 - Bradford - Administration - 6 points
2013 - Salford - Fielding Extra Man - 2 points
2014 - Bradford - Administration - 6 points'"
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The potential sanctions have increased but in the interest of things like fairness & consistency apart from fielding an extra man for 6 tackles the last 4 on the list above are for going into administration (often as a result small businesses don't get paid) and before that Wigan & Bradford were in breach not once but twice.
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