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| Quote ="Him"I wouldn't blame Vickers too much. There is no way any chairman, let alone one like Koukash, would allow all these issues to happen without their say so.
If the club is incurring WUP's, CCJ's, bailiffs etc it's because Koukash is allowing that to happen.'"
Disagree.
For example if you are like Michael Carter your only interest is the club you own, if like Dr K you have various worldwide business interests you rely on the people paid to be in day to day charge of those to keep them right and flag issues before it gets to a stage where solicitors are involved.
How much Dr K is worth is hotly debated, but we do know beyond Salford he owns a Hilton hotel, a large race horse business and a large training company; it is safe to assume he does not see every invoice sent to them or personally writes every cheque.
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| Quote ="Kiyan"Disagree.
For example if you are like Michael Carter your only interest is the club you own, if like Dr K you have various worldwide business interests you rely on the people paid to be in day to day charge of those to keep them right and flag issues before it gets to a stage where solicitors are involved.
How much Dr K is worth is hotly debated, but we do know beyond Salford he owns a Hilton hotel, a large race horse business and a large training company; it is safe to assume he does not see every invoice sent to them or personally writes every cheque.'"
No but he is heavily involved in the running of Salford. Any competent chairman will have regular meetings/contact with his CEO and other members of the board and be up to speed on how things are being run in an organisation that Koukash has made a point of being at the tip of.
If Koukash were a chairman that stayed out of the limelight and let his CEO and board members run the show then maybe, maybe he might not be quite up to speed. Someone like Caddick at Leeds for instance.
But when Koukash has been so intimately involved in the club id find it incredibly hard to believe he doesn't know what's going on.
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| Quote ="Kiyan"Disagree.
For example if you are like Michael Carter your only interest is the club you own, if like Dr K you have various worldwide business interests you rely on the people paid to be in day to day charge of those to keep them right and flag issues before it gets to a stage where solicitors are involved.
How much Dr K is worth is hotly debated, but we do know beyond Salford he owns a Hilton hotel, a large race horse business and a large training company; it is safe to assume he does not see every invoice sent to them or personally writes every cheque.'"
Forgive my ignorance,do you know which Hilton franchise he owns.
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| Quote ="lou kate"Forgive my ignorance,do you know which Hilton franchise he owns.'"
Public record that he owns the recently opened Hilton in Liverpool.
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| Quote ="Him"No but he is heavily involved in the running of Salford. Any competent chairman will have regular meetings/contact with his CEO and other members of the board and be up to speed on how things are being run in an organisation that Koukash has made a point of being at the tip of.
If Koukash were a chairman that stayed out of the limelight and let his CEO and board members run the show then maybe, maybe he might not be quite up to speed. Someone like Caddick at Leeds for instance.
But when Koukash has been so intimately involved in the club id find it incredibly hard to believe he doesn't know what's going on.'"
I don't disagree that he has a very public/vocal opinion on the team, however I am not sure that means hands on day to day financial matters. Vickers left Salford council on a salary of about £130k a year so we can only guess he isn't now on anything less.
If I funded a sports team to the tune of millions a year, I would expect to be able to act like an over excited fan and assume the person I was paying a lot of money to pay the bills did so! I would also assume if he couldn't pay them he would tell me. It appears Vickers has done neither.
I would not assume that I had to daily look at the bank account or check all bills were paid. Marwan has now said he has moved the fiancial side away from Vickers, so what as a Highly paid CEO does he now do?
Maybe, a lot of years working in a multinational blue chip company,has clouded my opinion on what a highly paid CEO is responsible for.
The fact remains that if the issues being revealed at Salford had been in anything but a public service the CEO would have been sacked/resigned. It is only senior figures in public bodies (which vickers is used to) expect otherwise.
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| Quote ="Kiyan"
Maybe, a lot of years working in a multinational blue chip company,has clouded my opinion on what a highly paid CEO is responsible for.
The fact remains that if the issues being revealed at Salford had been in anything but a public service the CEO would have been sacked/resigned. It is only senior figures in public bodies (which vickers is used to) expect otherwise.'"
Yes,it probably has.
Working for a red chip rather than blue chip company is a tad different.
MK is known to be very hands on ,in all aspects,as I would be if some of the money being spent was mine.
I've no idea whether Vickers is doing a good job but he'll certainly have been liaising with his boss regarding cash flow.
Give him a break. The last thing we need on here is a witch hunt.
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| Quote ="Bonita Red"Yes,it probably has.
Working for a red chip rather than blue chip company is a tad different.
MK is known to be very hands on ,in all aspects,as I would be if some of the money being spent was mine.
I've no idea whether Vickers is doing a good job but he'll certainly have been liaising with his boss regarding cash flow.
Give him a break. The last thing we need on here is a witch hunt.'"
This.
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| Especially a witch hunt instigated by such a conniving weasel.
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| Quote ="Michigan red"Especially a witch hunt instigated by such a conniving weasel.'"
This too.
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| Quote ="TheButcher"This too.'"
This two, typo corrected are kyd
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| Quote ="Kiyan"Public record that he owns the recently opened Hilton in Liverpool.'"
Where is the actual record? (not old newspaper articles when Dr K was trying to open a hotel a few years ago). Thanks.
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| Quote ="Cripesginger"Where is the actual record? (not old newspaper articles when Dr K was trying to open a hotel a few years ago). Thanks.'"
That's also my understanding, but I could be wrong
I thought I'd read that his company owned the building with a big mortgage,which is fair enough. The initial project didn't work out so he sold the building on.
As far as I'm aware he's neither involved in ownership of the building nor running the hotel franchise
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| Pretty sure he doesn't !
He sold the building.
Hilton owns the franchise and the operation is managed by Interstate Hotels and Resorts.
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"DoubleTree by Hilton Liverpool today announced the appointment of Terence Southward as general manager. The 87-room hotel will be operated by management company Interstate Hotels and Resorts and is expected to open in March 2015. DoubleTree by Hilton Liverpoolwill join Hilton’s rapidly growing portfolio of more than 400 upscale, full-service hotels, which includes properties in Leeds, Manchester and London."
So ,unless I'm mistaken , that means he's not involved ,but if there's anything more up to date I'd be interested
In the scheme of things,it doesn't really matter at all,I know.
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| Think it's called 'The Layla' Hotel, after his daughter. Liverpool's only five star hotel. Jointly owned by MK and a Dubai based consortium. Or at least it was...
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| Quote ="TheButcher"Think it's called 'The Layla' Hotel, after his daughter. Liverpool's only five star hotel. Jointly owned by MK and a Dubai based consortium. Or at least it was...'"
As I said it doesn't really matter but if you do a bit of googling you'll see that Layla Hotel Liverpool Limited is in liquidation and I think the project was passed on to Hilton/ Interstate.
That's my final word ,on the basis of it being irrelevant to the rugby side,and if I'm wrong I'm wrong.
I think the only reason someone raised it was in relation to MK owning a big hotel business in Liverpool, and how that impacted on his supervision of Martin Vickers
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| Could be purely coincidental but the hotels website developers are the same as the club and his training company? Also a few months ago the Doc posted an image of himself with MasterChef Jean - Christope Novelli on twitter referring to a great meeting at the hotel. And something about exciting news to follow.
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| He'll get nowhere bringing in these big-name marquee chefs on whacking great salaries. He wants to get a team of young, local chefs, proud to pull on the whites.
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| Quote ="stouffer"He'll get nowhere bringing in these big-name marquee chefs on whacking great salaries. He wants to get a team of young, local chefs, proud to pull on the whites.'"
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Quote ="stouffer"He'll get nowhere bringing in these big-name marquee chefs on whacking great salaries. He wants to get a team of young, local chefs, proud to pull on the whites.'"
I'm surprised the Doc hasn't brought in Gordon Ramsey to liven up the dressing room.
youtu.be/UjE-cBDFphQ
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I'm surprised the Doc hasn't brought in Gordon Ramsey to liven up the dressing room.
youtu.be/UjE-cBDFphQ
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| If you google 'Marwan Koukash Hilton' it brings up photos of Marwan (hotel owner), David Huges (general manager) and chef Simon Rimmer (hotels restaurant owner)
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| The hotel opens on August 31st according to the Hilton website. Apparently this follows many delays going back 10 years.
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| It could be that Koukash owns the Hilton franchise here, or that he leases the property to Hilton.
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