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| You're correct,of course,in relation to the whole season and the guys on GMR made the same point.
I was simply referring to today's game.
We competed well and lost to a team that's won 7 on the bounce.
I totally understand if you don't feel up to giving them credit for the effort.
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| Quote ="Adamjk"It was a definite double movement from S' au. Don't think I even bothered celebrating because I was waiting for the signal for a penalty. His arm went down and then he lifted it and planted the ball down. You couldn't say he 'bounced' over either.'"
Agree with this, it was definitely a double movement from where I was standing. When he was nearly there i was thinking "don't reach out" because I knew the ref would disallow it. Thought for a second he got away with it though!
Sau was good again today IMO, will be immense next season playing with some better backs.
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| Thought we played well, lee had a mere going forward but still solid in defence! Meli however can't defend and when locke comes evalds should start in front of him! Pack was outstanding!
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| Unlike the gentleman who rang the phone in on GMR, I can see improvements in the team under Iestyn. Our attack seems to be getting a bit more fluent, and it's noticeable how much more Junior S'au is being brought in to it. He was outstanding again today. (Incidentally, Trevor Hunt on GMR was saying he's like to see the double move incident again because he wasn't sure. I was sure: it was a double move.)
There were plenty of decent performances today: Rangi looked a handful, and Niall Evalds makes me wonder if we needed to sign Kevin Locke, although I'm sure he'll be a real star for us.
It seems clear that we were lacking three things: a bit of organisation in attack at times (i.e. someone to steady things down when we get a bit overexcited), a goal kicker and a better kicking game from open play. In other words, Michael Dobson. I can't understand why some people have questioned his signing.
I think we defended well, but were let down - once again - by individual errors, and we gave Warrington field position to score on too many occasions.
Overall, I think we can be quite pleased with that result, particularly as we had only one half-back, and both our first choice second rowers were absent. I thought Andrew Dixon and Matty Ashurst both played well in their place. Some Warrington fans over on their forum were thinking they'd win by a margin similar to the one they got over a woeful Bradford the other week, but they're clearly delusional.
As for the ref, there was a lot of moaning on the phone in from fans of both sides, noticeably a Warrington fan whining about holding down. It's something Warrington never do, of course. I couldn't see anything particularly wrong with the ref's performance. In fact, Jack Dearden thought he had a poor game, so, adopting the usual rule of thumb that Jacko is wrong, he must have had a stormer.
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| Agree with Bonita here - & my opinion Won`t come as a shock to Walshy Aveit GT, TS & their mates but again steady improvement for me under Iestyn.
Evalds was excellent as he has that `awareness` factor whether Full Back, Wing or Scrum Half.
My Marks today
Evalds 9 - see above
Johnson 5 - Defensively not up to scratch & service from centre is weak.
Walton 4 - Mistakes and for me a better second row prospect
Sau 8 - Nobles best recruitment and gets better each game.
Meli 6 - Quiet but should have scored after long run in second half.
Chase 8 - Joy to watch but his place kicking poor
Lee - 4 - Poor today but tried - fed the ball into the middle and we lost possession and they scored!!!
Morley 8 - Outstanding - Great effort
Tomkins 6 - Sharp again and contributed.
Tasi 6 - Quiet effort today from him.
Dixon 5- Defensively worked hard but anonymous in attack
Ashurst 4 - Never at the races and mistakes again led to tries
Walne - 4 - Disappointing today after last week - Mistakes again costing us a try
Griffin 5 - Penalty machine but made some hard yards
Rapira 5 - Some big hits but nothing in attack
Pulatea - 5 - Steady , mistake free but nothing outstanding
Platt 4 - Wont win Supporters man of the season and short of pace
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| I thought the effort today from the lads was top drawer. There were some very good performances and I thought the team are starting to gel. This was the sort of performance I thought we'd start to see after about five or six games into the season.
I thought Adrian Morley was immense today and I think he's shown, especially today that he's not just here to turn up for one last season. I think he played the whole of the second half on a very warm day without a break. May I suggest that if he can play like this could he play on for another season?
One person who I've been doubting is Steve Rapira but some of the defensive work today was awesome. If he can stay on the field and achieve fitness he may turn out to be a good signing.
Our defensive structures are definitely improving and today it was very noticeable the third man in going round the legs. It not only stops progress but slows the opposition play the ball.
Every winning team needs team spirit and it's starting to shine through. I for one think it's starting to build and a few good results and we'll see a different Salford.
Well done boys for an immense effort today. I thought it was money well spent supporting a team that are starting to show pride in the Red Shirt!
Well done to the fans for a great turnout and shouting for our team.
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| Anyone have any specific information on why 3 players named in the 19 on Friday afternoon were noticeable by their absence this afternoon?
If all 3 have sustained injuries,will they be available for selection for the brought-forward fixture next Saturday night?
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| I thought we played well at times, our forwards were excellent and matched Warrington's for most of the game. Tommy Lee had a bad game but afterall there only human. We missed 2 of our best forwards in Hock & Hansen. Also losing Fages wasn't ideal. There is definitely improvement defensively. Also point out the fans were brilliant and turned up in good numbers!
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| Quote ="Fozzysalforddevil"I thought we played well at times, our forwards were excellent and matched Warrington's for most of the game. Tommy Lee had a bad game but afterall there only human. We missed 2 of our best forwards in Hock & Hansen. Also losing Fages wasn't ideal. There is definitely improvement defensively. Also point out the fans were brilliant and turned up in good numbers!'"
I'm not intentionally trying to put a dampener on things but we conceeded 36 points. Compare this with the 28 pts and 14 points in the previous two games against Wire under Noble. OK we may now be getting an extra player in the tackle to slow down the PTB but the fact is we still conceeded more points.
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| Warrington away is one of the toughest places to go too, plus there playing out of there skin at the moment probably the form team in the competition as when we played them last time they were going through a really bad spell, were not too far away for me it probably won't happen this year top8 that is but certainly next year i have all the confidence in them.
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| Quote ="Fozzysalforddevil"Warrington away is one of the toughest places to go too, plus there playing out of there skin at the moment probably the form team in the competition as when we played them last time they were going through a really bad spell, were not too far away for me it probably won't happen this year top8 that is but certainly next year i have all the confidence in them.'"
I feel for Iestyn Harris. He must feel like he's working very hard fixing the leaks in the bucket, only for the lads to trip up and drop it, probably due to fatigue. I'm sure all the work will have to payoff at some stage. I think Iestyn's Wigan style defence requires extra fitness and it's about our players adjusting to the extra intensity.
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| Yes i think we dropped the ball 3 times which led to tries, it will be interesting on the highlights. Harris has improved us but we seem to be getting tough game after tough game, im hoping Cas will have the semi final on there mind and we'll get a win we need some players back though!
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| What about the In Goal Judge impeding Meli on the lead up to that first try. Why on earth was he so close? Many things not running right against us currently but it will level out.
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| I know this has been said a million times, but we are heading in the right direction. Small steps will eventually become big strides next season.
Ps, I'm not named Iestyn.
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| Quote ="theredshed"I'm not intentionally trying to put a dampener on things but we conceeded 36 points. Compare this with the 28 pts and 14 points in the previous two games against Wire under Noble. OK we may now be getting an extra player in the tackle to slow down the PTB but the fact is we still conceeded more points.'"
Yes , that's right and we are still not winning games.
I think Lee played his guts out and did make 3 howlers but that's going to happen when you're playing the style of game that Harris is attempting.
Until the last try ,even after Chase's badly missed conversion,we were still just about in the game so the fans rightly gave the team plenty of cheers at the end
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| Quote ="Early Bath"Agree with Bonita here - & my opinion Won`t come as a shock to Walshy Aveit GT, TS & their mates but again steady improvement for me under Iestyn.'"
I'm seriously thinking of taking a restraining order out against you. I bet you were dead giddy to come on here and name check us all. I've never suggested we'd be better off still under Noble, either, just that I didn't think we'd shown much in the way of improvement in Harris' first few games. If those signs of improvement do come, I'll happily discuss them. Unlike you, I've no agenda aside from wanting to see Salford RLFC be successful. I'm sure the others you've mentioned above would agree with me.
As it is, I wasn't there yesterday, so I can't really comment on the performance. However the general reaction I've seen seems to be "signs of improvement" coupled with "we're still making stupid mistakes". Games such as yesterday were never the ones most of us were expecting to win, even at the start of the season. Cas away and the games against the two Hull clubs will give us a good idea of how much improvement we've made.
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| I agree with GT (God how will not believe that), I think the Cas game next weekend is the one where we either stand upp too be counted for the rest of the season or just coast home hoping too pick up the odd scruffy win.
Cas have over achieved this season and are there too be beaten and you'd bet that Chase will take along his extra large bag of tricks especially for the big occasion.
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| What’s the injury situation like for Cas? We naturally missed Theo and Hock yesterday. We were also without any interchanges during the final 20 due to further injuries.
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| Dropped ball & daft penalties:-
lying on - interference at the PTB, high tackles did for us , rarely did Warrington get a try score opportunity without our help.
Also Lee tried hard , but he's in no way a half back , hopefully Fages will be back along with Hock .
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| Quote ="GT"Quote ="Early Bath"Agree with Bonita here - & my opinion Won`t come as a shock to Walshy Aveit GT, TS & their mates but again steady improvement for me under Iestyn.'"
I'm seriously thinking of taking a restraining order out against you. I bet you were dead giddy to come on here and name check us all. I've never suggested we'd be better off still under Noble, either, just that I didn't think we'd shown much in the way of improvement in Harris' first few games. If those signs of improvement do come, I'll happily discuss them. Unlike you, I've no agenda aside from wanting to see Salford RLFC be successful. I'm sure the others you've mentioned above would agree with me.
As it is, I wasn't there yesterday, so I can't really comment on the performance. However the general reaction I've seen seems to be "signs of improvement" coupled with "we're still making stupid mistakes". Games such as yesterday were never the ones most of us were expecting to win, even at the start of the season. Cas away and the games against the two Hull clubs will give us a good idea of how much improvement we've made.'"
Well you are a sensitive chap GT. All the years you`ve been dishing it out & I have the temerity to suggest that you were a Noblefile? Dearie Me. This is a Forum for all Salford Fans who want to see the Devils improve and in my view thats exactly what they are doing.
Agree Cas & the 2 Hull clubs will be a marker but I have seen so far a distinct improvement in the attack, defence & above all enthusiasm from the lads. Lets hope it all continues on this upward curve.
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| Quote ="Michigan red"I agree with GT (God how will not believe that), I think the Cas game next weekend is the one where we either stand upp too be counted for the rest of the season or just coast home hoping too pick up the odd scruffy win.
Cas have over achieved this season and are there too be beaten and you'd bet that Chase will take along his extra large bag of tricks especially for the big occasion.'"
Every team is there to be beaten ( not just us ). Look at Wakefield doing Wigan over - would most people have expected that ? Maybe we have overacheived this season but then again maybe, just maybe, it could be a sign of things to come for us in the future. We've not splashed out on big named players but quietly recruited the right players and got them to play better than we have done for several years.
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| Have we become too tolerant as supporters due to years of struggle. Are we too used to losing all the time? I could imagine other clubs supporters being up in arms if their team had underperformed like we have this year. I remember a few years ago the Wakey fans did a sit in protest at Knowsley Road after a terrible run. The chairman and coach had to go out and face the supporters but it worked because they turned things around and started playing with fire and they won a few games after it. Radical action but it had a positive effect.
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| Maybe our brush with bankruptcy has made us appreciate what we now have
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| Quote ="Bonita Red"Maybe our brush with bankruptcy has made us appreciate what we now have'"
Maybe but we can't keep using this as a reason to appreciate being a Salford supporter, regardless of performances and results. The Doc has invested a lot of money and needs to see some kind of return.
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| Quote ="Early Bath"Well you are a sensitive chap GT. All the years you`ve been dishing it out & I have the temerity to suggest that you were a Noblefile? Dearie Me. This is a Forum for all Salford Fans who want to see the Devils improve and in my view thats exactly what they are doing.
Agree Cas & the 2 Hull clubs will be a marker but I have seen so far a distinct improvement in the attack, defence & above all enthusiasm from the lads. Lets hope it all continues on this upward curve.'"
Sensitive? I just find it laughable that you're bringing my name up as often as possible. I should be flattered, I suppose.
Strangely enough, I do want Salford to improve, I just don't feel the improvement has been as noticeable and as quick as you've suggested in recent weeks. Of course, my opinion may be slightly soured as I expected our side to be a tad more competitive this season than they have been.
There has been improvement in some areas, but in others we've stagnated. Hopefully we can build on things, particularly now the spectre of relegation has been cleared (I hope that's not speaking too soon!) Fingers crossed the new crop of signings work out a lot better than the last lot and help us move forward.
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