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| Quote ="Hillbilly_Red"
Actually, I feel the next chairman is already on the horizon and has links with Sale. Just a hunch.'"
If this was to be the cae and he threw some money at getting us up to full salary cap and invested in the marketing side of the business would people still have an axe to grind?. What else would his money be able to bring to a club that we all agree is woefully short of cash.
One thing is for sure if he did buy into the club the deadwood on the board and in the backroom staff would be out quicker than you could blink an eye as I doubt he would suffer fools gladly.
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| Quote ="Michigan red"If this was to be the cae and he threw some money at getting us up to full salary cap and invested in the marketing side of the business would people still have an axe to grind?.'"
With Union yes, with the individual who is willing to invest in SRLFC a categoric no. However having said that if it was to be the person I believe your alluding to, well, [iyou[/i know my thoughts on that...
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| what people worry are worried about is that we would get our assits stripped like Stockport County when Cheshire Sports bought them.
From what i see we dont have that many / any assits to strip so reaily for him buy spend a lot of money on us for nothing physical is a big ask in my opinion, unless he wants a rugby club in both codes so he has income all year around i cant see why he would buy us
Still we will wait and see but he will have his work cut out to convince us fans that he isnt here to shut us down
Perhaps if he owed us he could allow Sale to be NO1 tennant and we would work our fixtures round them but reaily if he is spending a couple of million buying us / clearing our debts / getting new people in/ buying better quality players to get us onside worth that especially with his current interest in Glasgow Rangers Sale themselves might find that his concentration is elsewhere?
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| actually I was not thinking of Kennedy ... he may be a possible
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| What assets?, to asset strip there have to be some, the only asset on the balance sheet is debt!! of which the bulk is owed to JW
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| Quote ="Hillbilly_Red"Just because a person comes from Salford does not mean s/he has any concern for Rugby League never mind Salford RLFC.
Mr Done has zero interest in us (except as a funding stream) so let's leave him out. '"
To be honest, that was my point. Just a bit of frustration boiling over towards the bellsniff. We move on and hope for someone elsewhere.
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| If professional rugby league was a level playing field and Salford had the same finances and a long history of success like Leeds, Wigan and Saints I could agree with the criticism towards the club. Forget about these tiresome and repetitive excuses of bad management and poor marketing. The only thing that will improve us to a level that would meet the expectations of the frustrated 'finger pointing' Salford fan, is a substantial sum of extra cash.
There always has to be a blame culture with some people rather than just being prepared to accept the hard reality of the situation. The hard reality being that there isn’t an extremely wealthy benefactor out there with a mission to bring back Salford’s glory days of the 30’s and to a lesser extent the late 60’s and early 70’s.
You could have the best coaching and game plans in the world but without the highly paid elite players to deliver them they would be wasted. Or you could have the best CEO and marketing team equipped with glossy sales material but without a really great product 'winning team' to sell they would achieve much less.
A rugby league club isn’t a business it’s a charity without tax relief and those clubs that enjoy more support can utilise their extra finances for sustainability and higher achievement. As Salford fans we should know this because it was the very reason we coasted NL1 a couple of times. It amuses me how some can come to a conclusion that if the club got shut of a few ‘off the field’ employees it would be the solution to our lack of success in Superleague.
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| Is`nt that the idea of the salary cap to have a level playing field? No i won`t forget the excuses of bad management and poor marketing because that is exactly what it is.Was`nt this move going to make us the richest club in S.L.? Yeah right. This club is going backwards,slowly,drip fed setbacks month after month.When was the last snippet of good news to come out of this club off the field?
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| Quote ="mitie mouse"Is`nt that the idea of the salary cap to have a level playing field? No i won`t forget the excuses of bad management and poor marketing because that is exactly what it is.Was`nt this move going to make us the richest club in S.L.? Yeah right. This club is going backwards,slowly,drip fed setbacks month after month.When was the last snippet of good news to come out of this club off the field?'"
I didn't think that anyone with a modicum of common sense thought for one minute that we would achieve full salary cap in three/four months at the new stadium.
There are area's where the club could have done better off field than it has and it must improve.
I thought that the deals for Fages and Owen were good news and their contracts were signed off field.
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| Quote ="Original Salford City Red"I didn't think that anyone with a modicum of common sense thought for one minute that we would achieve full salary cap in three/four months at the new stadium.
There are area's where the club could have done better off field than it has and it must improve.
I thought that the deals for Fages and Owen were good news and their contracts were signed off field.'"
No neither did I,but was it stated that we would be the richest club in S.L.when we moved to this stadium.I don`t think its going to plan,do you? Are you not concerned that our Chairman as not said a word since we moved in here.I am.As for the young lads signing,yeah good stuff,but is that it,we`ve signed two kids.
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| Quote ="theredshed"If professional rugby league was a level playing field and Salford had the same finances and a long history of success like Leeds, Wigan and Saints I could agree with the criticism towards the club. Forget about these tiresome and repetitive excuses of bad management and poor marketing. The only thing that will improve us to a level that would meet the expectations of the frustrated 'finger pointing' Salford fan, is a substantial sum of extra cash.
There always has to be a blame culture with some people rather than just being prepared to accept the hard reality of the situation. The hard reality being that there isn’t an extremely wealthy benefactor out there with a mission to bring back Salford’s glory days of the 30’s and to a lesser extent the late 60’s and early 70’s.
You could have the best coaching and game plans in the world but without the highly paid elite players to deliver them they would be wasted. Or you could have the best CEO and marketing team equipped with glossy sales material but without a really great product 'winning team' to sell they would achieve much less.
A rugby league club isn’t a business it’s a charity without tax relief and those clubs that enjoy more support can utilise their extra finances for sustainability and higher achievement. As Salford fans we should know this because it was the very reason we coasted NL1 a couple of times. It amuses me how some can come to a conclusion that if the club got shut of a few ‘off the field’ employees it would be the solution to our lack of success in Superleague.'"
Enough with the logic and rational, well considered opinions! This isn't the time or the place!
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| Quote ="mitie mouse"No neither did I,but was it stated that we would be the richest club in S.L.when we moved to this stadium.I don`t think its going to plan,do you? Are you not concerned that our Chairman as not said a word since we moved in here.I am.As for the young lads signing,yeah good stuff,but is that it,we`ve signed two kids.'"
Those plans died longer ago than JFK.
We're fortunate to have a ground that allows us to retain a Super League franchise. Personally, I really enjoy taking my little lad to a stadium that's modern, safe and has great views.
This idea that it would all be ok if we'd stayed at The Willows is plain daft.
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| Quote ="Wayward Fan"Those plans died longer ago than JFK.
We're fortunate to have a ground that allows us to retain a Super League franchise. Personally, I really enjoy taking my little lad to a stadium that's modern, safe and has great views.
This idea that it would all be ok if we'd stayed at The Willows is plain daft.'"
Lets get one thing straight,where have i mentioned the willows?
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| Ok. Fair enough, I'm happy enough to hear your plan though.
We've heard all about the poor management/marketing that has been holding the club back, but what would YOU do to improve things?
Serious question, how do you propose we do things differently to raise crowds and elevate the team to the higher echelons of Super League?
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| Quote ="Wayward Fan"Ok. Fair enough, I'm happy enough to hear your plan though.
We've heard all about the poor management/marketing that has been holding the club back, but what would YOU do to improve things?
Serious question, how do you propose we do things differently to raise crowds and elevate the team to the higher echelons of Super League?'"
Same old chestnut aye,Lets ask you what you would do?
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| I'm not the one constantly carping about poor management/marketing.
You're obviously an expert at picking out bad practice, so surely you should be able to outline a little good practice.
It doesn't have to be detailed, just give me five or six bullet points outlining practical/achievable ways that marketing and management can be improved.
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| Quote ="Wayward Fan"I'm not the one constantly carping about poor management/marketing.
You're obviously an expert at picking out bad practice, so surely you should be able to outline a little good practice.
It doesn't have to be detailed, just give me five or six bullet points outlining practical/achievable ways that marketing and management can be improved.'"
See that's not fair, your not allowed to give the serial detracters on here a chance to give us hard facts or truths, what they want a forum to just constantly harpe on and take side swipes at people.
I agree for you that it's a pleasurable experience at the new ground and see that yes there are realisitically isses to be sorted out about the venue and some of the decision making in the background but I'd take that rather than lower division rugby in a ground that is falling to pieces and with the financial difficulties the variety centre has suffered little or no onsite facilities other than a woman squeezing cans into plastic pots for us to drink.
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| Quote ="Wayward Fan"I'm not the one constantly carping about poor management/marketing.
You're obviously an expert at picking out bad practice, so surely you should be able to outline a little good practice.
It doesn't have to be detailed, just give me five or six bullet points outlining practical/achievable ways that marketing and management can be improved.'"
Can you give me say,erm,20 or 30 years to get my head round it?
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| Quote ="mitie mouse"Can you give me say,erm,20 or 30 years to get my head round it?'"
And there was me thinking you had all the answers.
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| Quote ="Wayward Fan"I'm not the one constantly carping about poor management/marketing.
You're obviously an expert at picking out bad practice, so surely you should be able to outline a little good practice.
It doesn't have to be detailed, just give me five or six bullet points outlining practical/achievable ways that marketing and management can be improved.'"
Unfortunately it looks like there is no realistic plan its probably along the line of hope that we get further investment sometime in the future who isn't related with sale sharks and if we do have doesn't have their interest above ours
Crazy bonkers plan sack everyone, install alker as coach / chairman, rip the seats up in the east stand and play on Sunday.
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| Quote ="Wayward Fan"And there was me thinking you had all the answers.'"
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| Quote ="The optimist"No answers just highlights problems'"
It doesnt matter what i would do,its just the same old chestnut time after time.When anybody of the dinosaurs answer these people all we get back is ,where do you get the money from,it goes on and on.Yet the first thing i would do is to bring back the junior devils,fans for the future. 2nd,i would take a serious look at getting closer ties to the amateur clubs in the area.3rd,i would target areas around Salford maybe on a 2 or 3wk blitz on where by a players,staff and supporters actually knocked on doors and gave half price tickets to the families,sold lottery tickets and so on.Scrap the bus from the willows and put it on the precinct,put one on in Broughton,ordsall,and get it out there that its happening.Get in the schools,colleges and uni`s,not just the odd training session but getting them to their local amateur clubs.Make the people of Salford aware we exist,tell them we are one of the greatest teams not only in England but Europe and one of the finest stadiums in the country,right on their doorstep.
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| Quote ="mitie mouse"It doesnt matter what i would do,its just the same old chestnut time after time.When anybody of the dinosaurs answer these people all we get back is ,where do you get the money from,it goes on and on.Yet the first thing i would do is to bring back the junior devils,fans for the future. 2nd,i would take a serious look at getting closer ties to the amateur clubs in the area.3rd,i would target areas around Salford maybe on a 2 or 3wk blitz on where by a players,staff and supporters actually knocked on doors and gave half price tickets to the families,sold lottery tickets and so on.Scrap the bus from the willows and put it on the precinct,put one on in Broughton,ordsall,and get it out there that its happening.Get in the schools,colleges and uni`s,not just the odd training session but getting them to their local amateur clubs.Make the people of Salford aware we exist,tell them we are one of the greatest teams not only in England but Europe and one of the finest stadiums in the country,right on their doorstep.'"
There are a number of very good ideas in there, many of which I share.
Why can't you always post constructively rather than going on with the usual 'punch & judy' stuff?
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| Thank you,but in all honesty it doesnt matter what we think is it ,its the people in their positions who call the tune.I would go even further but thats for another time.Salford need a new broom to sweep the apathy out,god if you ran a club for 30 years with the same people in charge winning nothing,achieving nothing,going backwards all the time until another get me out of jail card turns up now and again.London the Catalans and even Sheffield have been to Wembley in the past 15 yrs,where have we been,fookink Blackpool.Thats why the people of Salford don`t turn up,its a joke,their e,never win out.Who`s fault is that?Not yours not mine.
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| Up til Tony Smith's arrival, Warrington had achieved very little in the past 15-20 years either, yet their crowds have consistently and significantly outstripped ours; it was a similar story at Leeds too prior to Gary Hetherington/Graham Murray's arrival
It isn't as simple as fielding a winning team.
The difference between places like Leeds and Warrington and Salford is that there's a living, breathing rugby league culture. We could be top of the super league and selling season tickets for a pittance but it wouldn't necessarily enable us to draw significantly higher crowds than we're already getting (just look at Huddersfield!).
Our issues aren't as simple on some people in here would like to make out and neither are the solutions.
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