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| The thing is, when push comes to shove contracts for professional sportspeople have to follow the same law as all (ok, most) other areas of employment.
Firstly, there has to be a reasonable resignation period. Even if an employee has a five year contract, it will stipluate the length of notice the employee has to give to terminate the contract. You simply cannot enforce a contract to it's end date, there legally has to be a period in which the employee can give notice to leave and then do so.
Secondly, Fages is claiming that the club were the first to breach their obligations under his contract, allowing him to leave immediately. Legally, it seems he is claiming constructive dismissal as the breach of contract on the club's part led to him being legally able to end the contract. This alleged breach could be monetary, but often constructive dismissal cases are brought under the "breach of mutual trust and confidence" argument, which could be open to many different interpretations and be for many different reasons. Usually, it's hard to defend or prove this as it is very subjectively based around the perspective of the employee. I would imagine the possible outcomes will be :
1. Fages takes the club to an Employment Tribunal for constructive dismissal. If he wins, the club will likely have to pay his loss of earnings between the end of his contract and his next employment.
2. The club will take Fages to court for Breach of Contract. This is extremely unlikely as even if the club win they will have to prove that they have suffered a direct financial loss to gain any kind of financial award, which would be very difficult in terms of a sporting organisation.
3. The club and Fages will come to some kind of settlement agreement. This is by far the best option for the employer and usually for the employee. This is what I would expect to happen.
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| I'm not sure I'd miss Theo to be honest. I've always been a bit underwhelmed with him and never understood the hype. This whole tribunal thing is just the final nail for him, I'd be happy if he didn't come back to Salford.
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| Quote ="John Gilbert Reds"All I can say is, what a massive shame that it has come to this. Whilst Theo' representatives haven't cited money issues in their case for resignation, unfortunately they could have done if they wanted to. However there are other pressing breaches which they obviously feel gives them a pretty robust case.
I did put on here a couple of weeks ago that Theo categorically would NOT sign another contract with Salford, at that time I didn't expect this to be the outcome.
In all of this, lets forget Theo season has been cut short early, he wont be paid a penny more by the club and cant sign for another club until the conclusion of a tribunal. I doubt very much that this is the end to his Salford career that a lad who has grown from a boy to a man (with the help of some fantastically dedication Salford fans) whilst being at the club wanted. This was the very last option available to him.
Theo should have been the future of this club, instead they went and signed a 30 year old Michael Dobson on a 4-year-contract. Whilst I agreed with the Dobson signing and thought for 2 years, he could provide an excellent mentor for Theo, particularly to help bring on his kicking game (arguably his poorest attribute holding him back from being a top SL scrum-half) but 4 years was taking the p*ss. It meant Theo wouldn't get the starting 7 shirt until 2019 at the earliest. I can appreciate and understand his upset. He also hadn't been offered a contract extension since March this season.
Do I blame Koukash? I am not sure. He can only go off the advice his coaching staff gave him and they clearly said sign Dobson. Both he and Chase earn in excess of £170k per year, so how can you then justify offering your other half (regardless of his potential) a pay rise when the chances of him playing are extremely limited. Koukash must take the blame for the contract breaches though and the sooner he realises you cant treat RL players as he has done, the better.
Timing of the press release isn't ideal for the fans, but the players and coaches have known about this for the last 2 weeks and it wont change anything "on the eve of our biggest game of the season".'"
Yes, you cannot treat rugby players like horses, off to Knackers yard when you've had enough of them
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| Quote ="TheButcher"Gareth Walker said that it's absolutely nothing to do with money, according to the 'Sports Agency' Theo is represented by.
Whatever. I'm beyond giving a toss anymore.'"
Quite agree, if he wants to go best to sever the ties, his heart and soul are not with Salford, or especially the Dr
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| I thought a contract was,you play for us,and we pay you money,so if if we have payed him,what can is gripe be or am I missing something.Personally if we can get someone to pay one hundred thousand,good bye Theo,but is anybody that daft.
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| Quote ="red eyes"I thought a contract was,you play for us,and we pay you money,so if if we have payed him,what can is gripe be or am I missing something.Personally if we can get someone to pay one hundred thousand,good bye Theo,but is anybody that daft.'"
Any club that made contracts like that wouldn't even get off the ground.
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| Quote ="andyh0064"Any club that made contracts like that wouldn't even get off the ground.'"
Well please put me right,as to how is Contract will have been drafted.
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| Is there a destination rumoured behind this? Or just a determination to get away from Salford? I know Cunningham and Long praised his potential which seemed to coincide with his transfer request, but there hasn't been anything on it since. It would be hard to see us signing a third halfback when we're paying a lot to Walsh and Burns.
Any Leeds/Wigan/Catalans interest?
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Is there a destination rumoured behind this? Or just a determination to get away from Salford? I know Cunningham and Long praised his potential which seemed to coincide with his transfer request, but there hasn't been anything on it since. It would be hard to see us signing a third halfback when we're paying a lot to Walsh and Burns.
Any Leeds/Wigan/Catalans interest?'"
I've heard it's Warrington after a replacement for Sandow ...
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| Quote ="middleman"I've heard it's Warrington after a replacement for Sandow ...'"
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| Wonder what Theo's agent is actually saying in his ear. Is he telling him, his value is more that it currently is? If is agent thinks he is going to get a move to a "big" club, is he going to get more game time? He is no where near starting standard SL player, I'm thinking which side he'd actually get in, maybe Widnes ahead of Mellor? However he always seems to have a stormer against us. Maybe Bradford came up he'd switch there? He had his chance to shine for us when Dobson and Chase where out, and the kid offered absolulety nothing, no game managment, poor kicking, never took the line on.
I know it's the agents job to get best deal for player but the real loser in all this will be Theo.
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| Totally unfair judgement that. Had his chance to shine when Dobson and Chase were out? Give it a rest, the kid was the only half-back we had for 6 weeks and was playing behind an injury ravaged and suspended pack for the most of it.
I think there are plenty of options open to him. Saints is the obvious choice, to link with Long again and serve a season under Luke Walsh before taking over the 7 shirt. Hull FC is another option, I don't know how much longer Leon Pryce has got left but they may look to have Theo and Sneyd as their 6 & 7 (how ironic).
Wherever he goes, I have no doubts he will succeed. For his age, the kid is a top player who is only going to get better and better. The real shame is him having to sit out the remainder of the season as well as leaving the club under such a black cloud.
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| When he leaves,at least it'll stop the debate about just how good he is.
In my opinion,he's going to be a very good SL player but,at the moment , he's not one of our best 2 half backs and we need that ready made not in the future. But,if Rangi leaves..............
The judgment about his performances when Chase and Dobson were out is totally unfair. You can't ask a kid to replace 2 half backs !
His kicking game is poor but he certainly attacks the line.
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| If you call running along our forwards then doing drop off pass, then yeah, he takes the line on
As for moving to Saints to replace Walsh after a year, then big LOL's to that, chalk and cheese players. Saints let Walsh dicate the play with his brain and boot. I'm sure they'll be deleighted when / if Theo dethrowns Luke
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Is there a destination rumoured behind this? Or just a determination to get away from Salford? I know Cunningham and Long praised his potential which seemed to coincide with his transfer request, but there hasn't been anything on it since. It would be hard to see us signing a third halfback when we're paying a lot to Walsh and Burns.
Any Leeds/Wigan/Catalans interest?'"
Any truth in the rumour that Theo is probably going to sign for Leeds ?
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| Quote ="rhino2009"Any truth in the rumour that Theo is probably going to sign for Leeds ?'"
Probably.Leeds is nearer to France than Salford and something led to the incongruous intrusion,by verbal post-match statement into treatment of players at Salford,by Brian McDermott.Possibly wanting the player on the cheap and not liking a high transfer fee apparently placed on the player.
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| Quote ="rhino2009"Any truth in the rumour that Theo is probably going to sign for Leeds ?'"
Would make sense with McDermott's hissy fit the other week.
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| Quote ="Angelic Cynic"Probably.Leeds is nearer to France than Salford
and something led to the incongruous intrusion,by verbal post-match statement into treatment of players at Salford,by Brian McDermott.Possibly wanting the player on the cheap and not liking a high transfer fee apparently placed on the player.'"
I'm pretty sure Leeds is closer to Salford than France actually.
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| He's French, he can always burn sheeps in the winter rather than needing that as yet undiscovered Yorkshire commodity elestictrickery
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| What's the latest position regarding Theo has it been to Tribunal yet ? A rumour still going around that he will eventually sign for Leeds?
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| Quote ="rhino2009"What's the latest position regarding Theo has it been to Tribunal yet ? A rumour still going around that he will eventually sign for Leeds?'"
What happened to the threatened legal action if Gareth Hock played against you? What happened to the legal action against Tony Puletua about unpaid wages? What happened to the legal actioned threatened against Kevin Locke? What is happening to Iestyn Harris now his sick note has run its course and he is fit for work again? Yes of course what's the latest position regarding Theo?
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| Kevin Lockes tribunal was adjourned to a later date, Tony Puletua is on-going, Harris has agreed a severance deal and they're awaiting a date for the Theo tribunal.
Hope that helps.
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| Quote ="John Gilbert Reds"Kevin Lockes tribunal was adjourned to a later date, Tony Puletua is on-going, Harris has agreed a severance deal and they're awaiting a date for the Theo tribunal.
Hope that helps.'"
Thanks for that. The Hock threats were more of the Dr's hot air then?
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| Quote ="Keiththered"Thanks for that. The Hock threats were more of the Dr's hot air then?'"
More a case of poor legal advice I think.
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