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| Quote ="Bigpev"Do keep up yourself, I already said that SW was on less money per season, or do you want me to explain it in words of one syllable or less, Jw stated at the start of the season that wages this year would less than last year, but YOU would know better than him because you had dinner with SW. The club went all out last year to try and big up the move and get bigger crowds in and so bring in more revenue to pay for this. Well the players were not that good and the crowds didn't come, plus this year the club has lost some revenue streams again stated by the chairman. As for Ratchford and Myler before him they were offered more money than at Salford, and yes McRae coaching was also part, but the Salary Cap is not the deciding factor but the ability to pay upto the max of the Salary Cap that determines what you pay your players. The fact is Salford are paying less this year than they did last year, but if you don't want to believe it thats upto you, but what is it like in the year 20012?
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Oh dear. You are slow. When JW says wages in 2012 will be less than 2011 it does not mean Salford are not near to full cap in 2011 and 2012...just 2012 is less than 2010. HTH. The discussion with SW has no bearing on this.
You say wild is on less money yet write this:
[uas with anyone going somewhere else it is always for more money[/u
Do try and keep up wth your own posts.
What players get paid is down the the marketplace and the relative demand and supply of certain skills.
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| Quote ="Cripesginger"Oh dear. You are slow. When JW says wages in 2012 will be less than 2011 it does not mean Salford are not near to full cap in 2011 and 2012...just 2012 is less than 2010. HTH.
The discussion with SW has no bearing on this.
You say wild is on less money yet write this:
[uas with anyone going somewhere else it is always for more money[/u
Do try and keep up wth your own posts.
What players get paid is down the the marketplace and the relative demand and supply of certain skills.'"
Spot on my man.This club is a joke.No heart,no hope,no money,no support,no chance.
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| Quote ="mitie mouse"Spot on my man.This club is a joke'"
It's a little like your post's then keep taking the tablets.
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| Quote ="Original Salford City Red"It's a little like your post's then keep taking the tablets.'"
OK.Do you mean the reality ones ?
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| Quote ="Original Salford City Red"It's a little like your post's then keep taking the tablets.'"
Cyanide I hope
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| Quote ="Michigan red"Cyanide I hope
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Why,do you want blowing apart again?
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| Quote ="Cripesginger"Oh dear. You are slow. When JW says wages in 2012 will be less than 2011 it does not mean Salford are not near to full cap in 2011 and 2012...just 2012 is less than 2010. HTH.
The discussion with SW has no bearing on this.
You say wild is on less money yet write this:
[uas with anyone going somewhere else it is always for more money[/u
Do try and keep up wth your own posts.
What players get paid is down the the marketplace and the relative demand and supply of certain skills.'"
If you did actually read and understand the post which from this post of yours you clearly don't, so I will explain again but it is getting tedious, if s-o-m-e-b-o-d-y i-s g-o-i-n-g t-o a-n-o-t-h-e-r j-o-b, t-h-e-y w-i-l-l i-n m-o-s-t c-a-s-e-s t-e-l-l y-o-u i-t i-s f-o-r m-o-r-e m-o-n-e-y. So just because he tells a fan that it doesn't mean that it is true, is that clear enough for you. You forgot about agents sorting out pay and whether it is a fashionable club, i.e. a player may take a smaller salary to play for Wigan than they would playing for Shuddersfield.
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| Quote ="Bigpev"If you did actually read and understand the post which from this post of yours you clearly don't, so I will explain again but it is getting tedious, if s-o-m-e-b-o-d-y i-s g-o-i-n-g t-o a-n-o-t-h-e-r j-o-b, t-h-e-y w-i-l-l i-n m-o-s-t c-a-s-e-s t-e-l-l y-o-u i-t i-s f-o-r m-o-r-e m-o-n-e-y. So just because he tells a fan that it doesn't mean that it is true, is that clear enough for you. You forgot about agents sorting out pay and whether it is a fashionable club, i.e. a player may take a smaller salary to play for Wigan than they would playing for Shuddersfield.'"
A reference to Shuddersfield, how quaint. Oh dear.
Wild did not lie to me. But call him a liar if it helps you pretend salford have not been near the top end of the cap. Likewise the implication that many of the big name players are accepting buttons to play at Salford (a fashionable club maybe?) is nonsense.
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| Pev to be fair, you know me and I know you, but now is probably a good time to quit in this argument because this Huddersfield fan has you on the rack! I know your biased to Salford, but to be fair in this argument for a supposedly intelligent man you aren't doing yourself any favors, no offence like!!!
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| Great posting Cripesginger. It wouldn't surprise me if your comments regarding spending near full cap was true especially with this move to Barton. Again it shows the board still remain ijit's and how they still feed us a load of porkies.
And the Love fest brigade Early Bath, BigPev Michigan Dread and co they'd love another 3 decades of those big pork pies.....They think Salford aren't making money.. Believe me he wouldn't be doing it if he wasn't.
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| Again, not necessarily supporting Wilkinson here, but what evidence do you have that he's making money from Salford? The published accounts would suggest the opposite.
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| Quote ="Dantes Inferno"They think Salford aren't making money.. Believe me he wouldn't be doing it if he wasn't.'"
Dearie me. The GAME is skint. 3 clubs maybe making a profits - the rest relying on handouts.
If Expenditure is greater than Income there is a LOSS and somebody has to make up the difference to survive.
Look at the Audited Accounts man to see what has happened then maybe you might understand.
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| The published accounts are flawed ffs. He's that bent he could hide behind a corkscrew. Yeah the publicised accounts may look like he's coughed up a few quid each. We all know accountants earn their corn. Nudge nudge wink wink
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| So let me get this straight :-
a) You actually believe that Salford RLFC makes a profit each and every year and these profits are skimmed off into the Chairman & Directors pockets?
b) You actually believe that an Independent firm of Accountants have been persuaded to sign the Accounts each year showing that they present a `True & Fair View` of the Financial position of the Club EVEN though that is not the case? Remember the Qualified Auditors stand 100% behind their Certificate and can be sued if they mislead.
If your answers are Yes to a) & b) above then I would recommend you make an Appointment with the nearest Priory Hospital to have a friendly chat.
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| What are the flaws in the accounts, where is this money coming from and how is it being taken out?
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| Quote ="Early Bath"So let me get this straight :-
a) You actually believe that Salford RLFC makes a profit each and every year and these profits are skimmed off into the Chairman & Directors pockets?
b) You actually believe that an Independent firm of Accountants have been persuaded to sign the Accounts each year showing that they present a `True & Fair View` of the Financial position of the Club EVEN though that is not the case? Remember the Qualified Auditors stand 100% behind their Certificate and can be sued if they mislead.
If your answers are Yes to a) & b) above then I would recommend you make an Appointment with the nearest Priory Hospital to have a friendly chat.'"
So, he's telling us that, despite being poorly run and unable to do anything right, the club manages to return a profit, which it them pays to the directors. Baffling, but not as baffling as why you - or anyone for that matter - feels the need to reply to him. For details of why "everything the club does is wrong, even if I have to contradict myself to show it", check out [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motivated_reasoningmotivated reasoning[/url.
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| Quote ="Dantes Inferno"The published accounts are flawed ffs. He's that bent he could hide behind a corkscrew. Yeah the publicised accounts may look like he's coughed up a few quid each. We all know accountants earn their corn. Nudge nudge wink wink'"
So do lawyers. With statements like that you could well be making a couple of them quite rich
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| Well John I just felt there was a need to respond to his mendacious comments.
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| Quote ="Dantes Inferno"The published accounts are flawed ffs. He's that bent he could hide behind a corkscrew. Yeah the publicised accounts may look like he's coughed up a few quid each. We all know accountants earn their corn. Nudge nudge wink wink'"
I honestly think that you are a seriously deluded individual who is in urgent need of some medical treatment and some legal advice very quickly.
Which foot did the chairman run over?
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| I think Mr Inferno, you have just accused Mr Wilkinson, the company secretary, and the auditors of fraud.
I suggest you send your evidence ASAP to Greater Manchester Police. Should you not be able to do that I trust you will be issuing an apology?
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| Quote ="Early Bath"Well John I just felt there was a need to respond to his mendacious comments.'"
Mendacious, but idiotic also. He's got this obsession about the club and thinks he knows what's happening, yet people who know who he is tell me he's an occasional spectator who only turns up when the team are winning. In addition, he's never able to back any of his statements up (and, in fact, seems to disappear when you ask him to). I just can't see the point in replying to him.
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| Ha Ha Ha I only turn up when we win, well i've been going to watch this laughing stock of a club for 3 decades you plank When do we ever win or at least show pride NEVER , get a life love fest. You just don't like being told how it is
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| Quote ="Dantes Inferno"Ha Ha Ha I only turn up when we win, well i've been going to watch this laughing stock of a club for 3 decades you plank When do we ever win or at least show pride NEVER , get a life love fest. You just don't like being told how it is'"
How is it then? How much is being embezzled and how?
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| Quote ="Dantes Inferno"well i've been going to watch this laughing stock of a club for 3 decades you plank'"
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| dantes
seriously think if you have been watching for 30 years, notice you don't claim supporting, and the things at the club trouble you so much do as I did when I became disillusioned with football stop watching.
I can't make my mind up if you get pleasure from being a victor meldrew type or if you have backed yourself into such a corner that you are afraid of loosing face but whichever it is do yourself a favor and think before you waggle your fingers near a keyboard
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