GT - You are clear about your opinions re the BNP but let me throw this at you. Mate of mine lives in Littleborough.

His Mother in Law (91 years old) has just sold her terraced home for £80k. She had no savings. She is now in a Residential Home and it costs £450 per week. She receives no State help now as she has more than £22k and her £80k is being reduced swiftly.

Eight doors away from my mate is a Pakistani Family of 8. They have invited the Grandfather - who cannot speak English - to come over and live in the same Nursing home as my mates Mother In Law. The £450 per week for this chap is paid for by you, me and every other worker in the UK.

My point to you is ............. Do you feel that is fair and right?

I didnt vote BNP as I registered my token apathy vote with the UKIP.

However maybe you will see why so many people in Industrial towns like Oldham, Rochdale, Leeds, Burnley, Leicester etc voted BNP when they encounter daily situations like my mate.

Fair point, but how many white people take the p*ss out of the social or disabilty or whatever on so many estates up and down the country? It's nothing to do with race, it's to do with the systems be it for white, black, asian or whoever

The stats were taken from 2007. Next.



I've been down Weaste Lane plenty of times. Never seen that many blacks/Asians down there to feel there's any kind of problem. Same in Leicester. There are areas in most towns, though, that are predominantely black/Asian. There's also predominantely white areas. What's your point? What exactly am I meant to be taking my head out of the sand? All these nasty ragheads that are apparently taking our homes, jobs and money? Give over.



Because anyone who votes for and supports an openly racist party who are no different to Hitler's National Socialist Party is a f*cking racist idiot. And I make no apologies for saying that, either.



If they ever got elected it'll be a sad, sad day. Unfortunatley they seem to be relying on fear and ignorance, which seems to be rife amongst many at the moment. There are many problems in this country at the moment - shutting down immigration completely and kicking out everyone who isn't white would not solve those problems.



That situation is a bit of a p*ss take if true, however I don't think it'll be quite as clear cut as your friend is making out. However, it's no different to white families taking the mickey when it comes to benefits, housing and so on - many of whom make no effort to get a job and contribute to our society when many Pakistani families have worked hard to get good jobs and pay more back into the system than I do. A p*ss taker is a p*ss taker, regardless of race.



A party that talks utter rubbish and has no real plan to aide the country's current problems? Aye, OK. They're as bad as the main stream parties you've protested against. "We want the UK out of the EU but we're willing to become MEPs and claim all the money and cushy numbers that come with it... Erm, we'll get around to pulling out of the EU and taking away these opportunities for ourselves eventually though, we promise!



No, I don't see it. I only see why racist people would vote BNP. I live in Preston, I see places in this town where there's integration. There's a lovely Asian family live across the road from me, in fact. You'd do anything to help them and they'd do anything to help you. I'd rather have them there than the white family down the road who act up all the time, but never mind.

And yes, I do see parts of town that are completely Asian. However there's plenty of parts of this town that are completely white. And guess what? I feel a lot safer walking around the Asian estates than I do the white ones. But that doesn't fit in with the fear propaganda machine people like to crank up, so it's conveniently ignored. Again, this country has many problems. It's more down to middle/upper class white politicians taking the p*ss rather than immigrants, legal or otherwise.

Well I agree with that - I have no objections at all with people of any colour who work hard and pay their taxes - none at all. What I cannot condone are those (of any colour) who milk the state having put nowt in during their lifetime. I do discriminate though on one thing - and that is behaviour.

I refer my ler'ned colleagues to a place called Liverpool for evidence of all of the above.

That we agree on. But it isn't a race issue - unfortunately people are willing to see it as such which plays into the hands of people like the BNP.

Pev's got it bang on.

Good post GT, nice to know that some still cares enough to argue the case.

I was horrified that any BNP member received any votes, let alone got democratically elected. The only thing that made me feel slightly better is that there hasn't been any significant increase in the number of racists in Britain (and particularly the north west) who are willing to vote for such scum.

It's just unfortunate that they're beniftted from a huge decline in the number of people who trusy any mainstream politicians enough to vote for them.

I now hope that the increased publicity that the BNP will inevitably get helps to show the rest of the country what they really are.

It would be really interesting if, sometime before the next General Election (which can't be too far away now) a big name launch a political party whose manifesto was based upon getting rid of corrupt politicians from mainstream parties and keeping out the BNP/extremist parties.

They'd stand a real chance, and may well earn my vote.

Fantastic, so they must be correct then eh?



You can put spin on it with words, that kind of ignorance is amazing, what problems would you feel there is? You haven't a clue

Just because you don't feel there's problems doesn't make it right, down Weaste Lane or anywhere else! Are you saying out of sight out of mind by any chance?



My point was its nonsense to use the basis of a majority of whites to blacks overall as any type of comparison to an argument which I assumed you were, if not, then be more transparent next time.





Racist idiot, call them what you want, I prefer them to have a say, just like I tolerate those who burn the Union Flag outside Downing Street and those who burn effigies of our democratically elected leaders.




Maybe thats what BNP want, I would just like all hands on deck to rid the scurge of illegals here already who are without doubt doing more harm than good, my stats 2009!

The 2001 census showed that [url=http://www.salford.gov.uk/weaste-seedley-ward.pdf95%[/url of people in Weaste and Seedley were white. I can't be sure but I vaguely remember reading what I think was a more up-to-date percentage, and it was around 88%ish. I guess that's through the displacement of families from the Seedley Grange area (near Langworthy) and an influx of eastern Europeans, which, as I can vouch for, was noticeable up to around Christmas. Although it seems many have buggered off. Also, the latter mightn't have been part of the census stats.



I can shed some light on this, because my family went through the same thing last year. If a person in care has the money or assets to pay for residential care, they will pay until the money [virtually runs out. Then, they'll receive care free as a benefit. This echoes what happens with other benefits such as Job Seekers Allowance: if you have over £16,000 of savings you can't claim it at all. Then as your savings whittle down, you get an increasing amount of benefit.

However, the issue here isn't a matter of race, it's a matter of need. A lot of people have a skewed opinion of what the benefit system is. A common belief is that [ithey've[/i paid into 'the system' for years so [ithey[/i should be entitled to benefits when the time comes to claim, regardless of how much money they've scrimped and saved over the years. It doesn't work like that.

[In theory People receive benefits because they have no money in reserve. This is a basic need. As is the case with residential care. The question people should be asking themselves is: [iWhy should I bother buying a home and saving more than a few month's salary?[/i And then vote on it accordingly.

First of all we live in a democracey and people are entitled to vote for who they want. The people who i am really p##### of with are the main stream parties how have totally ignored the people who voted for the BNP and the reasons they voted for them. Its no point crying about it after the horse has bolted but plans have to be set in place to make sure it does not happen again.
A lot of blame has to be apportioned to the media that gave the BNP so much bad press before last Thursday especially the MEN.Just dont give them the time of day!
Its a terrible thing to say but Nick Griffin won the right to represent the North West weather you like it or not!
One plus point is the election result might make people more motivated to vote in the future.

True. Look what happened in Sweden: the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_PartyPirate Party[/url got an MEP. This group campaigns for reforms on copyright laws, particularly in regards to internet. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pirate_BayThe Pirate Bay[/url trial was a boon for them as their membership has increased by 300% since the verdict, and no doubt enabled the Pirates to earn its place in the EU parliament.

Fringe parties such as the Pirate Party, UKIP and the BNP have next to no power in Europe because you need to have an [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2009#Possible_political_groupingsaffiliation[/url to have clout. So the BNP's MEP scalps are more a marker for public opinion or public digust than anything. The BNP won't necessarily embarrass Britain in Europe since France and Italy have had their fair share of extreme right-wing nutjobs.

Very true, ones Running Italy as we speak, northern italy is still very right wing and extremely racist they would put the BNP to shame.

Chico - So you feel it is right & just that the British taxpayer - you me GT Black Cat and all - should pay for the Pakistanis Grandfather who has only just arrived in the country?

Not particularly; it depends on the details. I explained how the benefit system is based on need; but the system, in fact any system, can be exploited too.

What I do find rather upsetting is that people find the need to barrack and egg Nick whats-his-faces first press conference, surely it is a case of give him enough rope and he will hang himself.
The upshot of yesterdays occurences is that he now is planning one in Manchester behind closed doors, I said earlier if we let these people sprout there crap in public they are much more likely to fall foul of the law and for people to see what they are all about as if we force them underground.

The simple fact is that there are a great many people who are disatisfied with the immigration policy in this country and a vote for the BNP has voiced this concern, only the most closeted person can think that we have no problem and that these issues need to be redressed before we go back to the riots of a few years ago as ghettos are sprouting up in cities and towns all over the north west.

Immigration is a fine thing (anyone who knows my soon to be ex wife will know I have no problems with this) but intigration is an even better notion and of paramount importance for the future of the country.

To be honest, I'm not sure what you want? Or what the hell you're going on about?

What problems are there with the families you see down Weaste Lane? What problems are there in the rest of the country? Are these families you know of here illegally? Do you know if they're illegal? How do you know how many illegal immigrants are in this country?

I agree that anyone not here legally should not be allowed to stay, but anyone who is here legally has every right to stay regardless of race, religion, creed, ethnic background or anything else. Do you agree with that?

And this time, try to answer without rambling incoherently. And if you're happy to tolerate a racist bunch of Nazis having a say, then fine, but I'm not. And I know I'm far from being alone on that. This country does have many, many problems at the moment. However, you can't put any of them down to immigrants, illegal or otherwise. It's all down to shoddy Government.



Should we pay for the upkeep of white families who've lived here all their lives and never done a day's work in that time? Or is that different?

As I've already said, a benefit p*ss taker is a benefit p*ss taker regardless of where they're from. You cannot put more emphasis on one and not the other.


I'd also suggest than any problems with immigration and integration are as much down to white people as they are black and Asian. But it's easy just to point the finger at one 'group', isn't it?

Get to work then

Benefit cheats whether white or coloured should of course be prosecuted and if capable make full retribution whether financial or otherwise.

The case of the Pakistani Grandfather though is different. The family are working within the rules as they are now - surely though the rules are wrong and have to be changed forthwith ------ I dont feel that its right at all that a 90+ yo woman who has never left these shores has to pay whilst a chap from abroad - just arrived - can benefit from the system and NOT pay for the same accommodation.

for having savings and assets. She will have grown up in an era where being frugal was a virtue, unlike the 'buy now, pay later' credit culture we've experienced for the last two decades or so. Today, there's little benefit in being frugal unless you've got seriously big amounts.

The best thing pensioners can do today is either spend most of their money sharpish, or downsize everything: the home, the car etc. and give the money to their loved ones while they are still mentally and physically fit. Unless they have no problems with paying for their care.

In my oppinion people comeing into the UK shouldnt be allowed to claim State benefits for the first 5 years, that would stop the undoubted abuse of the system that some of the less scrupulous immigrants currently endugle in.

I agree 100% , that is the answer the government should adopt, you have to be resident for 5 years or they should look at say " a paupers benifit" to give to anyone coming to this country for the 1st 5 years which would be just a very basic living allowance or food vouchers so they didn't starve. Other than that, they have to work for anything else.

Okay. But then what would your plan be to combat the undoubted abuse of the system by people who've lived here all their lives?

I have a relation who came to the UK from Australia in 1993 to get married and he immediately obtained work, worked for 23 months and was made redundant, he visited the local Job Centre who took two weeks to arrange an interview at which time he was told that he was not entitled to any unemployment benefit and that he would have to apply to Australia for some money.

By the time the same job centre had arranged for another interview he had already got another job and the people who set the criteria where ordinary people are never entitled to anything whilst other classes can get everything, are the same people who have been claiming more expenses each year than ordinary folk earn in wages and salaries.

The whole system in the UK stinks and it is the political classes/elite that Flash Gordon & Cuddly Blair have created who are totally responsible for all the problems that we have in society at this time.

We now have a Deputy Leader of the Labour Party who has not been elected and a Minister For Europe who is possibly in receipt of more pensions than many a small town and whose family have made the EU a money pit.

Rant over, Up the Reds.

I'd start by banning anyone with ginger hair claiming any benefits as they obviously are feckless pinko knaredowells



I don't know on that score as it is much harder to police than with people entering the country and not entitled to benefits at all.

Possibly you say anyone claiming beenfits has to pass a more rigerous qaulification process and those physically fit to work do some form of community service to earn extra as we should cut there allowance down to the bare minimum. Say give someone £20 per week and then for every 8 hour days of community servicethey do they earn another £15 and then very soon they would I suspect see that toiling all day for that amount is not as a ppealing as actually earning a proper wage for he same endevour.

Chico just a quick point on that as I don't want to get drawn into a long political argument (just ask Solly and Walshy

) However I lived on Weaste lane at that point but was residing elsewhere and it later turned out that I was never registered on either address so really it proves nothing as thousands could have done the same, and if they were illegals, dole-ites or someone who wanted to keep a low profile it was possible to do so. And can I add that I don't think the problem here is colour it's having the right to be in the UK.

And as an aside, we live in a democracy and as such anyone (well virtually anyone) can set up a party or become an independent and run for election, and anyone can vote for them and until that's illegal then I'm afraid BNP or anyone else can put themselves forward, it's a case of we've made our bed....

BTW my party is doing just fine

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