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| Perhaps Noble will be our defence / forwards coach been doing it at wasp's? Long as our backs / attack coach our new ozzie assitant as assistant and brian smith as head coach ?
How many people are in other super league backroom staff? More than ours I suspect
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| Quote ="Red Willow"Bradford won things because they had a huge pack who ran over the top of other teams, Noble always lacked a plan b. Once teams used small nippy players to evade his pack they lost out.
It was right to sack Harrison, as much as I admire him and think he did wonderful things in trying to bring the club kicking in to modern times he lacked the ability to adapt (much like Noble) Once other teams worked out his game plan we struggled and ended up relegated. The game V Catalan was the last straw for me. I always hold him in high regard but he lacked something to be a world class coach.'"
Please,please give us a big strong pack that runs over the other teams!
You're right,Karl went to plan B, a lightweight top of the ground pack that was relegated !
Anyone who was at Catalans that day would agree that he had to go.
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| Quote ="Bonita Red"
You're right,Karl went to plan B, a lightweight top of the ground pack that was relegated !
Anyone who was at Catalans that day would agree that he had to go.'"
Following Karl Harrison's dismissal he even admitted to the media that he understood the decision. It's easy for people to say it was a mistake years later but at the time the vast majority of supporters wanted a change.
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| More backroom staff could only make things better for us, but I'd be highly doubtful someone would give up a head coach job to play second fiddle. Although you never know I suppose. As for a big pack that runs over opposition, it's what we've needed for the last fifteen years. Don't see that as a bad thing.
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| Just to point out that the dominant Bradford pack was largely successful due to novelty. They were the first club to adopt a musclebound, run over the top of the opposition approach. Hell, they even had an 18st winger! Since then, many clubs have adopted a similar approach and as such, simply buying or producing bigger, stronger players would fail to achieve the success Noble had previously with Bradford. It's a bit more complicated now.
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| I also thought Noble was presenting his CV last night, plenty of talk of having a vision (just what the Dr wanted to hear). The other thought that crossed my mind was about Adrian Morley, will he be with us next year, player/coach maybe?
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| Quote ="Red Preacher"Just to point out that the dominant Bradford pack was largely successful due to novelty. They were the first club to adopt a musclebound, run over the top of the opposition approach. Hell, they even had an 18st winger! Since then, many clubs have adopted a similar approach and as such, simply buying or producing bigger, stronger players would fail to achieve the success Noble had previously with Bradford. It's a bit more complicated now.'"
It's surely been every RL coaches/clubs ideal to have a big physical side since 1895. Bradford didn't reinvent the wheel.
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| Quote ="Red Preacher"Just to point out that the dominant Bradford pack was largely successful due to novelty. They were the first club to adopt a musclebound, run over the top of the opposition approach. Hell, they even had an 18st winger! Since then, many clubs have adopted a similar approach and as such, simply buying or producing bigger, stronger players would fail to achieve the success Noble had previously with Bradford. It's a bit more complicated now.'"
Mind you `Baloo` at Huddersfield is adopting the same tactics and they are top at the moment.
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| In management there is nothing new, things tend to run in cycles, so perhaps as everyone moved to smaller mobile packs, someone was bound to come back with a monster pack sooner or later.
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| Nokash: Nobby,fancy it ?
Nobby: Aye, why not.
Nokash: See you in the morning.
Simple really, so why doesn't he do it ?
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| Quote ="BrianBradyHandOff"Nokash: Nobby,fancy it ?
Nobby: Aye, why not.
Nokash: See you in the morning.
Simple really, so why doesn't he do it ?'"
Well, it's obvious isn't it? He isn't really a multi-millionaire, just a GP from St Helens. You've told us that. I bet he got his doctorate from one of those correspondence courses. In fact, I bet he isn't even a real GP. I bet he's an aromatherapist or something.
Now the scales have fallen from our eyes, we can all see the truth, thanks to [iyou[/i, BrianBradyHandOff. You're [iace[/i.
Or maybe Brian Noble isn't the target. Just maybe. Or maybe he doesn't conduct job interviews in radio studios. No. He's an aromatherapist.
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| If Noble does get the reigns I wounder if Jon Sharp would be his first backroom appointment? They worked together at Cruaders and for GB.
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| I am quite surprised by this show of support for Noble bearing in mind he has had Phil Veivers on his coaching staff at both Bradford and Wigan.
He was national coach when Long walked out at the Tri-Nations 2006.
I believe his salary was paid by the RFL when he was at Crusaders and it was the RFL who had found the south Wales club a new home and new owners in Wrexham.( That went well ! )
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| Quote ="Red John"Quote ="BrianBradyHandOff"Nokash: Nobby,fancy it ?
Nobby: Aye, why not.
Nokash: See you in the morning.
Simple really, so why doesn't he do it ?'"
Well, it's obvious isn't it? He isn't really a multi-millionaire, just a GP from St Helens. You've told us that. I bet he got his doctorate from one of those correspondence courses. In fact, I bet he isn't even a real GP. I bet he's an aromatherapist or something.
Now the scales have fallen from our eyes, we can all see the truth, thanks to [iyou[/i, BrianBradyHandOff. You're [iace[/i.
Or maybe Brian Noble isn't the target. Just maybe. Or maybe he doesn't conduct job interviews in radio studios. No. He's an aromatherapist.'"
Good stuff RJ.
Maybe we can get the new players on the National Health then.
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| Quote ="SCR-SeaDiver"I am quite surprised by this show of support for Noble bearing in mind he has had Phil Veivers on his coaching staff at both Bradford and Wigan.
He was national coach when Long walked out at the Tri-Nations 2006.
I believe his salary was paid by the RFL when he was at Crusaders and it was the RFL who had found the south Wales club a new home and new owners in Wrexham.( That went well ! )'"
In fairness the Crusaders finished 8th in 2010. Surely Noble can't be held accountable for the people of Wales not supporting the team in enough numbers to make it a viable Superleague club.
As for Vievers maybe assistant coach was his level? . . . as for Longy he did have a tendency in his younger years to go off the rails from time to time.
Quote ="Early Bath"icon_lol.gif Good stuff RJ.
Maybe we can get the new players on the National Health then.'"
Not a good idea we don't want to give that political rag any more ammunition. Hopefully we can afford to go private now
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| Quote ="SCR-SeaDiver"I am quite surprised by this show of support for Noble bearing in mind he has had Phil Veivers on his coaching staff at both Bradford and Wigan.
He was national coach when Long walked out at the Tri-Nations 2006.
I believe his salary was paid by the RFL when he was at Crusaders and it was the RFL who had found the south Wales club a new home and new owners in Wrexham.( That went well ! )'"
The connections you make between events get more and more spurious every post. What possible negative reflection could the RFL moving Crusaders to Wrexham have on Noble?
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| Yup I haven't got a bloody clue what the point of that post was either
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| Quote ="Red Willow"Bradford won things because they had a huge pack who ran over the top of other teams, Noble always lacked a plan b. Once teams used small nippy players to evade his pack they lost out.'"
Ludicrous oversimplification.
You can't win a game unless you're on top in the forwards. This applies to all teams of all eras. As far as lacking a plan b is concerned that was always a load of tripe. There were plenty of games we won thanks to the flair of the Paul brothers, or Leon Pryce or Michael Withers or Shontayne Hape but the Bulls success got chalked up to the forwards on their own because people like to clutch at straws. If the Bulls had no plan b it doesn't say much for the opposition.
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| We could only wish for a head coach of Nobles stature prior to Koukash's arrival. However I would still find it an underwhelming appointment should it happen, we don't need to 'settle' for Noble.
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| Quote ="Walshovski"The connections you make between events get more and more spurious every post. What possible negative reflection could the RFL moving Crusaders to Wrexham have on Noble?'"
Sorry.I don't know how you read my post or what connotations you took from it.
I wrote it out as a slight fear of deja vu.Although I am certain Dr Koukash differs completely from Moss and Roberts at Wrexham;the fact the RFL were involved in both ownerships is slightly disconcerting.I am sure my fears will be dispelled very quickly.
While I was quite impressed with Noble and his 'preparing for George Foreman and getting George Formby' quote,and his earlier success,I do recall him at Wigan,after months of speculation of him going to Crusaders,after their defeat to Warrington in the Challenge Cup semi-final,that when the cameras went into the dressing room/sheds,he was seen holding his head in his hands.He was not consoling the players and Clare Balding very sharply changed the subject.
I was surprised Ian Lenagan did not renew his contract at Wigan yet Noble coached Crusaders to a far higher finish than Harris did the following season,and then Lenagan took Harris to Wigan.
Having read on this forum the comments about our players not being wanted by other clubs/not being good enough for other clubs,I am slightly surprised that a coach not employed in Super League,at this time,should be given such support.
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My point was that many teams have a big pack, as opposed to just Bradford in the late 90's. of course it's important to have a big strong pack but to say this is the only requirement for success is an oversimplification. I'm fairly sure Greg Eden and Danny Brough would agree with me too.
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| Quote ="John Gilbert Reds"We could only wish for a head coach of Nobles stature prior to Koukash's arrival. However I would still find it an underwhelming appointment should it happen, we don't need to 'settle' for Noble.'"
My thoughts entirely. Wouldn't moan if he was appointed but would feel a tad underwhelmed.
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| The bigger and more aggressive the pack the more room to move the backs behind them have.
I'd guess if we had Nobles Bradford pack playing for Salford last season our back line would have got us a decent top 8 finish.
The more I think about it the more I think Noble is being courted as he has a decent record in knock out rugby and that the Doc sees a tilt at the cup as the best chance of early results.
Guess the question is would we as fans like to see hard earned grafting wins on a regular basis or a team trying to out score the opposition with a lower win ratio for a good couple of years.
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| Quote ="Michigan red"The more I think about it the more I think Noble is being courted as he has a decent record in knock out rugby and that the Doc sees a tilt at the cup as the best chance of early.'"
Stop messing about. Look at your results this season to date. Whilst you have only played 7 games how many of those defeats could you have turned into wins? I, hand on hart can't see you winning the cup unless the draw is unbelievably kind and you play championship teams throughout the competition.
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| Quote ="Red Preacher"Early bath/ the red shed
My point was that many teams have a big pack, as opposed to just Bradford in the late 90's. of course it's important to have a big strong pack but to say this is the only requirement for success is an oversimplification. I'm fairly sure Greg Eden and Danny Brough would agree with me too.'"
I don't recollect stating that only a big pack was needed.
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