It was universal but you can have your very own here Pev! Hope my credibility is now restored.

You, credibility?

You've been saying the same thing for nearly a week now. I think it's got to the stage where your arguing with yourself.

It can be safely established that we all agree the chairman (and Co) has'nt run the club very well, or as well as we would have liked to now see the club be competetive week in week out....that ISNT the argument or the point.

THE POINT IS THIS....Without that man and his passion (passion not professionalism) for the club any other man in his position would have pulled out and put it down as a lost business venture. Simple.

Were not disagreeing that his "professionalism" of running a RL club isnt up too much, and were not using it as an excuse, the point is had he not kept the club afloat we could now be sitting in the middle of a lower division were the club may not be in as much debt.

I hope you understand that, I'm getting sick of coming on here seeing this thread at the top, only to see you make the same point over and over.

do the lifeline draw but do more than just pay £180 a year because that gets you Swinton, Rochdale or Oldham.

Seems to me you are already in the same boat apart from a piece of paper with a franchise on it.

Swinton have basically got a 2 year championship franchise as there is no relegation next season.

For goodness sake, stop mentioning if it was'nt for JW we would be elsewhere. We would never know. We could say the same thing about other chairman in superleague. If it was'nt for him we'd be here or there. SO WHAT HE.S KEPT US AFLOAT WOW. Talk about putting the same point across LOOK AT YOURSELVES.

As for your other point regarding passion. So because he is passionate we cannot question his runnings of the club. Give me a break its amateur, and we deserve to be where we are.

I agree with you.It's the stupidity of the RL.

In my opinion your playing standard should dictate which League you are in at least it makes for an interesting season that way.

It's not a matter of mentioning it. It's a matter of helping you understand the situation, which you still clearly don't. You need to understand that were not defending JW's running of the club. Not for one minute am I saying you can't question that, and perhap's if it had not been mismanaged we may not find ourselves in the position were in today. I'm simply pointing out that without this very man and his cash the club would have entered into administration. That isn't an "if or a "but" it's a fact. The club is losing money, he does not have to put his hand in his own pocket to keep it afloat, and that goes for the rest of the board. Could they not afford nor wish to put anymore money into the club then we would announce insolvency and enter into administration and possibly forfeit our position in SL. With that being said and as I've mentioned before had money not been ploughed into the club in 07/08 (when our debt spiralled) then Widnes would have scraped it over ourselves.

"So what he's kept us afloat!" - exactly what planet are your from. That's a pretty big factor were having a club to support is concerned.... I can't believe I'm having to retort to such a low form of intelligence and such narrow minded comment's.

I refer to your earlier comment's

"Yeah the chairman may of put is hand in his own pocket on a few occasions but what salford fan would'nt in his position" This is what is referred to as passion - the very thing you think has no bearing on the club has kept it "afloat" had he followed his head and not his heart he wouldn't have put money into a losing business and as mentioned we would have become insolvent....got it ?

No one is going to step in and replace him unless:

(i) They are uber rich and can immediately right off the £4,000,000 debt to start a fresh.
(ii) Are as passionate about SCR to do the above.

I agree we need a younger sharper minded individual, but we need someone who is mad enough to do the above, you reckon thats likely in today's climate - not a very appealing preposition is it, and that's the the problem with your tirade of "JW out" - He can't be replaced

If he was'nt making any money from salford he would'nt be doing it, come on. He certainly is'nt doing it out the goodness of is heart. (although he would want us to think that.).- Haha, how misguided are you, that's exactly what he's doing, but you actually contradict your first comment here - one minute he puts he hand in his pocket, the next he's making a profit - which one is it ?

As referred to earlier - you say you have no vendetta, however comments like that say different - JW has a hidden agenda? What would that be? to lose money at SCR's

I hope this finally get's through what appear's to be a 6 inch thick skull. It really isn't that hard to comprehend, and just before you go off on one please try and grasp the fact that WE AGREE the club should have been managed better especially by JW and that just because he's put his hand in his pocket it doesn't exclude him from CONSTRUCTIVE criticism however before you call for him to be replaced or leave SCR's please RE-READ the above, again...and again,,,

[iI hope this finally get's through what appear's to be a 6 inch thick skull. It really isn't that hard to comprehend, and just before you go off on one please try and grasp the fact that WE AGREE the club should have been managed better especially by JW and that just because he's put his hand in his pocket it doesn't exclude him from CONSTRUCTIVE criticism however before you call for him to be replaced or leave SCR's please RE-READ the above, again...and again,,,[/i




Amen

17 pages (so far) to clarify that the directors aren't money grabbing fat-cats dredging the copious riches of the club. It beggars belief.

But what did he do with the Myler money......

It really is hard to believe, and it just shows how some people's imaginations work overtime.

They're obviously looking for someone to blame when things don't live up to there expectations, but for the like's of Dantes Inferno to believe so strongly that JW is taking home a tidy profit and has a hidden agenda just depicts the low average intelligence of society today. People need to go back to school. Learn how to READ & construct a sentence, and actually THINK about what they're saying, while trying to absorb some common sense were possible, because it's that sort of attitude and opinion which is dragging society and SCR down.

A little melodramatic perhaps, however, not far from the truth.

Lyrad Red you talk utter drivel. Who the do you think you are. You revert to condescending and insulting remarks. I respect the chairmans passion, personality. Just not his proffessiomalism as agreed. So whats your argument with me . I'll say it again because i don't seem to be getting through to you. If he ran the club with his head not his heart he would'nt have to revert to his pocket would he, Vendetta my im just a salford fan questioning the pathetic running of the club, We need change now, because in 3 years time when the franchises are reviewed it'll bye bye salford hello manchester.

I've never been to a board meeting or been involved in any way with the inner workings of the club, so I don't know whether he runs the club with his head, his heart or any part of his body. However, it seems you do, so, if you were John Wilkinson and you were running the club with your head and not your heart, what would you do differently? For each thing you'd do differently, tell us where you'd get the money to pay for it. And, just to make it more interesting, you can't use the words "sack", "Simms" and "Tarry".

As far as I'm concerned it's your continual repeating of the "we need change" mantra that I take issue with - not that I disagree with you, I don't think anyone does, but just continuing to repeat it without anything constructive or remotely realistic is pretty annoying.

I put a proposal many months ago in the "lets get rid of Sean McCrea" thread to suggest we did a Barcelona - 2,000 fans each find £2,000 - there's £4 million, lets have a supporter owned club, bud sadly there were no takers

So Mr Dantes Inferno (I presume you are male?) - what positive ideas do you have?

There you go, two other like minded posters who have reasonable questions for you and have responded for me essence.

So anybody who does not agree with you is of low average intelligence,and should go back to school to learn how to construct a sentence,READ YOUR POST.

Agreeing/disagreeing is fine. In fact it's quite healthy on a message board. However, blindly repeating a quite stupid point long after it's been uncovered as an indesputably stupid point is... well... quite stupid.

I don't think he is saying that, just pointing out that some people can't see the wood for the trees, as someone who is a director of three social enterprises, I know how difficult sometimes to separate your head from your heart, but sometimes you have to make hard decisions, I believe in the enterprises and co-founded two of them (not including Salford City Radio) so they are like my children and I would assume JW has a similar view of Salford only he has put a lot more money in than I to the social enterprises. We are lucky that we follow Salford with our hearts and don't have to use our heads, and the club maybe mismanaged in some people's opinions, but it is still there for us to support and that is because of JW's heart not his head.

Condescending perhaps - truthful? Most definitely, Ive had to explain the situation to you nigh on 4 times.

As soon as you realise you've said wrong, you back track, change your story and attack something else. You base all your post's on your feelings toward's the club and what you think goes on behind the scenes, this is wrong, All's I have ever done is explain why it is without JW the club would have had substantially less financial backing and would not have survived without his input. The club loses money. He has kept it afloat.These are fact's. That may not be how we want the club run but considering the economic climate and looking at every cornerstone business that has announced future/current bankruptcy (Woolworth's - GAP - AVIS - Goodyear - etc) since the recession began, we've done pretty well.

To answer your question - you are getting through just fine, as you mention at the end of that post. "We need change now"

I fully understand what you are saying, but what you are saying is wrong. Have you read none of my previous post's. I agree change is needed, but change is not possible simply because our board are up-to there necks in it.

You say you respect JW's passion and this is why the club has been managed poorly. You don't know that, and you do not respect the chairman's passion, as your previous post's state, and I quote:

"Yeah the chairman may of put is hand in his own pocket on a few occasions but what salford fan would'nt in his position. If he was'nt making any money from salford he would'nt be doing it, come on. He certainly is'nt doing it out the goodness of is heart"

You need to make your mind up and get your story straight. You also need to read my previous post's properly, digest them, and then think before you fire away with your finger's. Like I said, you keep changing your story, I think you've whittled it down to just wanting change? SS possibly? I'm not sure. I am sure that once again, you'll completely ignore the current position the club's in and blindly demand change at the top...

First thing i would do is to make Simms kit man,Tarry water carrier,hows that for a start? What would you do.?

Exactly, and there you have it mitie mouse. I don't have a problem with DI's view that the club need's to be managed better, it's just he blindly say's the same thing (not very well) which isn't possible. The reason I refer to a low intelligence is because I've explained the situation in plain straight forward English about four time's, and there's no way you couldn't understand that unless you were not intellectually adequate. Then all's he does is back track and change his angle of attack while trying to justify his answer by saying it's me that doesn't understand... and I'm not alone in putting him straight.

- possibly the funniest of the 3...

I don`t think anybody on this board wants to see our club fail,even D.I,i believe his posts are from somebody who is really concerned about where the club is heading,more concerned than others,maybe the club is fine and dandy,i hope it is,in all honesty where do you see the club in three years time?Would`nt it be nice for the club to make us aware what is happening,maybe then we can all stop bitching and stop this point scoring exercise which is getting really boring now,and get behind SALFORD.

I agree he's concerned but his solution is badly concluded, and his critisim of JW is vile. Here's a snippet of what you may have missed..

You can't seem to get through to some people on here. All im going to say on the matter, JW is the person who has put us in the 5hit, end of story.

Yeah the chairman may of put is hand in his own pocket on a few occasions but what salford fan would'nt in his position. If he was'nt making any money from salford he would'nt be doing it, come on. He certainly is'nt doing it out the goodness of is heart. (although he would want us to think that.)


anythings better than this shower we have running the show at the moment.
But tbh i can'tsee it happening with our current debt situation caused through the great management of our owners.

Bad marketing and terrible misjudged appointed coaches, a decent chairman would address this issue.
What is it with you wilky a5slickers

Simply keeping the club afloat is'nt good enough of 29 years in charge. Were a laughing stock of super league.

You cannot be 100% sure that there is any shortfalls. Who are you, JWs accountant. There is no way on this earth the board are doing this for nothing. End of story.

SO WHAT HE.S KEPT US AFLOAT WOW



And so on...

I don't know how you could write those thing's and actually believe they make sense or are true for that matter. Had we had someone turn up to JW and say " I'm mega wealthy - I can clear your debt - plough millions into the club, and I'm passionate as well" Then as JW said himself, he would hand the club over, but the problem is we haven't. So that leaves us with JW. Now if you took JW out of the equation (as DI advises) and realistically tried to run the club and make a profit we would possibly be sitting in the 2nd or 3rd division. However JW being a proud Salfordian has decided along with the board that Salford need to remain in SL to become bigger and better, but with this come's the debt, which JW and the board have footed..

I really don't get what's hard to understand about that. No JW - no Super League. Probably no Barton. Now DI insist's we need a clear out from the very top because of how poorly the club is run, now does he make that assumption from us (i)being a yo-yo team or does he make that assumption (ii)on the past couple of week's when MP left, or doe's he make that assumption based (iii) on personal feeling's ?.

Either way he has not once been constructive. He's simply spouted incorrect rumour's based on how he think's JW run's the club, and been vile about him in the process. DI really gets me on the "keeping the club afloat" one.... err isn't having a club to support the main point...especially in SL....have you really just said that!!! He genuinely believes the club is in debt directly because of JW - he doesn't seem to grasp that to operate a club at SL level you need a massive fan base and generally allot of money, obviously good players who demand big wages allso, he doesn't JW has simply funded this journey making some mistakes along the way. WITH HIS OWN MONEY, thats the point. Now look were we are today, New stadium & New SL license. With that in mind how can he say what he's said ?

get behind salford! i used to be ballboy at salford in the early nineties,and the club then was going nowhere as it is now.The board and jw need to go.in the next 5 years well be in division1 playing at sales ground with blue seats.Sick of hearing people saying get behind salford,iv been behind them for years,i even called me budgie GIBBO (steve gibson) when i was 13 hahaha.Nothing will change at salford unless a new buyer buys DT,s moustache.