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we seem to be going through a fair few conditioners this past few years. Or at least it seems so?

I really don't need to say anymore...

And you thought it was a good idea to post that because ..... ?????

Yeah for me it seems our players arnt physically improving year on year @ the same rate as our opponents, it could be the players arnt following the strict diet regime or our conditioners arnt pushing them to their limits.

Eddie mcguiness had the right idea, i dont think ive ever seen a physically fitter salford side when he was cracking the wip.

The players are fit enough Bobby.

perhaps, its just our opponent look more athletic than we do a different shape sometimes

totally agree with the optimist eddie mcguiness new what he was doing and we typically got rid for andy who come from widnes in the division below just after finishing 5th another gd move that year we made some excellent signings didnt we! edmonson, dorn etc etc

From what i remember he opened up his own gym so thats why he moved on, Hay worried me think his methods were built on power and strenghth rather than fitness i went to leeds to watch widnes in a grandfinal and after 60 mins they were out on their feet.
To compete you need to have good stamina to stay in the contest and capitalise on errors tiredness brings.

this is probably the 1st and only topic you see the words EDMONSON,FITTER, EXCELLENT, CONDITION together

he was a gamble that went horribly wrong...

From what i remember he opened up his own gym so thats why he moved on, Hay worried me think his methods were built on power and strenghth rather than fitness i went to leeds to watch widnes in a grandfinal and after 60 mins they were out on their feet.
To compete you need to have good stamina to stay in the contest and capitalise on errors tiredness brings.

this is probably the 1st and only topic you see the words EDMONSON,FITTER, EXCELLENT, CONDITION together

he was a gamble that went horribly wrong...

I agree with the optimist, you need stamina and strength/power. When Stacey Jones was playing for the Auckland Warriors in 2009, he controlled the game magnificently or the first 15-20 minutes. After that it was all down hill, and speaking to people who seemed to be in the know, it was suggested he was doing all weights and no stamina training.

However, when you look at how few tackles are broken and the lack of meters made by the forwards, I would suggest Hay's strength and power training methods are not the greatest either. Any team that defends for long periods is going to struggle for Stamina and this might be a more important area for improvement. We've, also, got some big forwards that don't seem to punch anywhere near their body weight.

I still say that we've had enough quality players in our ranks over the last two seasons, who if coached and managed better, would have seen our team produce better quality performances. Studying the body language of both McRae and Hay, they seem to lack any ability to inspire and motivate a team. At least one has gone!!!

Haigh was extremely poor and lacked the right attitude, good riddance I say. Eddie Mcguiness did a great job,and is sadly missed (rip) I personnally would of liked to see willie poaching added to the.backroom staff as he comes from a winning culture. That said Malc will be a great addition and I can't wait for the season to kick off!

id be holding out for brian noble and letting him rule the roost of the backroom staff!

When Karl Harrison was coach the best move he ever made was bringing in Eddie McGuiness as team conditioner. What the team lacked in quality and natural skill/ability they made up for in stamina, strength, great defence and team spirit. (Salford had a team to be proud of that gave everything and got the fans/shed right behind them) Our defence at times on our own line was impenetrable. Then when Harrison had a fall out with Eddie and got shut of him it's no coincidence that the team went from finishing in 5th place to going totally backwards and getting relegated. (Rumour is it was their wives/partners that actually fell out)

Personally I think the Andy Haigh appointment was a big mistake and only came about because Shaun McRae knew him as one of his players for Saints in the 1990's. Bit of an old pal's act I think! Heard a few players have said Haigh used to make it up as he went along.

As somebody mentioned above our forwards seem to lack the physical power to make decent metres with the ball and it needs addressing by the new conditioner.

Somebody also mentioned above that we got shut of Eddie for Andy Haigh and this isn't true. There was another conditioner before Andy Haigh and I think he was called Dean Thomas if i'm not mistaken? (Who was supposed to be a lot more qualified than Eddie McGuiness)

Totally forgot about him, wasnt he a head coach somewhere before he came to us? he wasnt much kop he was more strength and power over stamina, one famous forever reds meeting he said he was looking to improve the players "shape" and you'll see it in february new bodies, feburary came and went and they didnt look any different to me.

Gateshead wasn't it?

I think it was KOTS

Perhaps the idea was for him to get on the field and give more detailed instruction to the players being a coach didnt happen tho.

As for power and strength, if you can start quick its an advantage but for me salford are not the best starters of a game so to be powerful and strong and be mentaily still in the changing room and 6-0 down on the field its a waste of time for me.

Let me get this straight, a couple of wives fell out and we lost, probably, the most competent member of our backroom staff. I would like to think the club wasn't that amateur. It seems appear the 2007 season went wrong for a whole manner of reasons, and instead of riding the crest of a wave the club simply imploded. With the franchise system and hopefully the new stadium, the club can't afford to let this happen again.

It was more a case of Big Karl telling the board he wanted a more qualified conditioner to take the club forward. The wives fall out story then came out in the wash after Eddie McGuiness was replaced by Dean Thomas. Let's face it Karl Harrison wouldn't have gone to the Directors and said I want to replace Eddie because my misses and his have had a fall out!

He would have got laughed out of the boardroom wouldn't he?

OMG!!!!! You are so amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!! The point of my post was, it had been our suggested our head coach and fitness coach couldn't work together because their wives fell out. Not, Harrison asked asked the directors to sack McGuiness because of their wives not getting along.

Why make a generalised remark then suggesting 'the club' may have behaved amateurishly if it was a personal matter between two individuals? To me 'the club' constitutes more than two people and it comes across as unfair criticism to other people that work for or represent the club.

Ok, so now you are trying to spell out that the club is everyone including the fans, the players, the directors and even the guy who cleans the toilets. Whatever you class as 'the club', there is no way a disagreement between two important members of 'the coaching' team should have ended up with one of them leaving. In a results based industry, that is what I would class as amateurish.

I don't even know how true this all is, but you came on here trying to be a smart a$@e. How long do you want to keep this going?



I do like using these symbols, though, they are quite

Eddie would not go full time which is why Dean got the job. Dean was a nice bloke but not a good conditioner.

A good conditioner can make or break a season and make or break other peoples coaching careers. It is a crucial appointment and the right man is a must.

Karl wanted a more scientifically based training programme and that is the only reason Eddie left. People who think they fell out should have been at Eddies funeral where it's the closest I have ever seen Karl to tears. Karl loved Eddie to bits as did all the lads and Karl even admitted later that it was probably an error for him to leave.

I think everyone in league should read Wayne Bennetts comments about what makes a winning team (after all he'd know). He says it's the same now as in the early part of his career.

The ironic part being Dean was scientifically very weak.