One thing I've found myself moaning about on Twitter since the restart has been the refereeing, particularly set restarts. It just seems odd and not reflective of how the balance of games are going.

Saints won 42-0 against Wigan. A game they dominated throughout, both territorially and physically. Yet the set restart count was 7-1 (!) in favour of Wigan. How do they explain that? The Saints line was never under pressure, there were almost no breaks or wins of the collision, yet we conceded 7 set restarts. Wigan on the other hand were under a lot of pressure, scrambling round to hold their line and concede only 1? If it were junior/amateur there would be cries of mercy rule refereeing to keep the score down. Woolf has had a moan about it in the press after the Wigan game, but it was a similar situation against Warrington. When Saints were on top in the opening 20 odd minutes, 8-0 up, they were 3-0 behind on set restarts I believe. That game finished 7-1 as well I think. You'd expect Warrington to edge the stats for set restarts as they did the balance of the game.

I've noticed it in games other than Saints as well, one teams seems to get hammered at times and there's no consistency with how each team are refereed, even within the same game. Are some sides coached to give full penalties away and not set restarts as you are more likely to defend a penalty with a set line of defenders than a set restart? Or is just an issue with the standard of refereeing and they struggle for consistency in the same game never mind between games and referees?

More importantly, what did you think of the tackle that ended Jack Wells evening ?

Is it just that Saints are offending more than opponents?

Good god your not suggesting that the problem could be with the players rather than the refs. Mebbe saints were quite happy giving away sets at the tackle to ensure defensive line set properly

Nah. Deffo been victimised.

Just like cas obviously, everyone picks on em

Wait. Is the argument that if a team is dominating the match physically, as well as in terms of possession (and territory) it can’t be offending at the ruck/ptb, leading to set restarts?

Or that a team being physically dominated *must* commit more ruck offences?

Because I’m not sure I see the logic there, tbh.

Logic and a Saddened thread never go hand in hand.

How many were on the 1st or 2nd tackle as opposed to the 5th or 6th? Perhaps some teams are prepared to do it to slow the PTB early in the count.

The set restarts do seem a bit random to be honest.

It is a new rule so there is bound to be inconsistencies, however the referees do need to get things in order sooner rather than later.

An unfortunate accident. Players were taking a run up and hitting the legs before this season, so we are moving in the right direction in terms of player safety.

When it was first introduced I thought it was quite good, quicker games, quite exciting.

Then, I went off the idea. Ref's were giving it for absolutely everything, massive changes in momentum occurring and with the fatigue setting in with players, I thought that as a spectable, it was garbage. No intensity (which is what RL is all about), and just poor games in general.

I think recently it has got a bit better, but when there is a set restart I automatically think "Would that have been a penalty before Set Restarts were introduced" and I don't think that half of them would be

I was chatting with mi mate this afternoon,and we both said exactly the same as you. Top post that bud.

These are too subjective in my opinion and should be scrapped.
Rules should not be open to interpretation by the ref. There are far too many rules which shouldn't be open to interpretation but the referee likes to apply his own version (for example, knock one when clearly facing your own line).

You can clearly knock on when facing your own line but I take your other point. Consistency and interpretation on the set restart rule is all over the place.

Also refs in the NRL are pretty strict in classifying any fumble as a knock on even though the direction the ball first travels is questionable. In the past couple of weeks though successful "Captains Challenges" have shown that the ref can be hopelessly wrong in automatically ruling knock on.

At the PTB we now have two rules for delaying play. 1. Set restart 2. Penalty. How do you constitute which should be applied? In my view, it's so inconsistent that it's not improved the game as a whole,but after a couple of set restarts on the bounce, the defending players look gassed out. No kick for touch, or scrums to get a bit of a breather. The NRL is a different animal to our game here,and the officials are far far better than what we have here too. What works over there doesn't necessarily mean it works here. There is also a captains challenge in the NRL which is working extremely well, but we know why we won't use that here in the televised games don't we? It would expose even more incompetence from our officials.

Not a clue why you think NRL officials are any better than SL ones. It's a better competition but the officials are equivalent. Indeed I'd argue they were worse the first few weeks when they resumed after lockdown, some really poor game-changing calls over there this year which haven't really happened here this year to the same extent.

It's a set restart for a ruck infringement as long as they can still get a reasonable play the ball. It becomes a penalty when it totally breaks down (e.g they lose the ball or the defender takes an age to get off). Same rule in NRL and SL for that.

=#FF0000It's simply my opinion.

=#0000FFWould that be the calls from the bunker? If so, i agree.

=#00FF00Do you mean a ball steal?

Anyway, The point i'm trying to make is, the 6 again seems inconsistent here, and seems to be applied with more latitude, and a bit of common sense in the NRL . BTW - I'm not condoning foul play either. personally i would just go back to how it was before, and just give a penalty for an infringement at the PTB. I liked the concept at the beginning,but now i don't.That's my opinion.

Fair enough.

No I'm not talking about ball steals, they're always a penalty. Sometimes a player being held down, pushed back down, leg pull, having a defender's hand on the ball, having a defender kick the ball at the PTB etc will lose the ball as a result. The defender is at fault for a ruck infringement in those situations but play breaks down to the point where the ref can't simply wave 6 again, so he awards a penalty. I suspect its those instances where you will have seen a penalty awarded for a ruck infringement (along with instances where there is a run of them, which escalate to a penalty and possibly bin).

Yes I agree with that,and that's how it should be. Just leave it as a penalty though, and forget this 6 again restart. I just don't like this 2 tier infringement option. This is where i feel our refs are poor at trying to deal with the PTB. They're just not consistent. The speed of the game now with no scrums ,and this 6 again, It's no wonder the players are struggling to get up quickly from the ruck. This is where the refs need to apply some common sense. The players are not robots.