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| Have there been any this season?
It wasn't too long ago that they were pretty common and not just when top played bottom - even some notable ones in the wigan v saints derby. so what gives? are teams better defensively or worse in attack, or are they just mentally tougher in that they don't give in when the scores pile up
are we slowly catching up with the nrl in this aspect of the game
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| Wigan 46 8 leeds
Hull fc 45 salford 14
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Salford 10 60 (12 men) saints
Saints 66 4 hudds
Salford 38 4 wakefield
Cas 41 0 Catalan
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Saints 46 6 cas
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| Catalans 44 Castleford 16
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"Catalans 44 Castleford 16
Toronto 46 Leigh 28'"
Are you saying winning by 18 is a blow out score ??
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| ColD, ignore it.
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| Some would argue that when the winner scores 46 and the loser makes up most of its points in the last few minutes.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"Some would argue that when the winner scores 46 and the loser makes up most of its points in the last few minutes.'"
Dreary me, for a mod implant that's a pretty poor effort, but it keeps the posts ticking along
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| Don't forget Featherstone 36 Toulouse 18.
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| Quote ="Towns88"Wigan 46 8 leeds
Hull fc 45 salford 14
Wakey 54 18 hull kr
Wire 38 4 hudds
Salford 10 60 (12 men) saints
Saints 66 4 hudds
Salford 38 4 wakefield
Cas 41 0 Catalan
Wigan 44 6 hull kr
Wigan 48 10 hudds
Saints 46 6 cas'"
Only 3 over 50 though. In the not too distant past we saw that in one round
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| It’s not like we are back to the days of these scorelines
Leeds 86-6 Huddersfield
Bradford 96-16 Salford
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| Quote ="the artist"Only 3 over 50 though. In the not too distant past we saw that in one round'"
I think there's a massive element of sides putting the cue on the rack. Doing enough to win and not playing with an intensity for 80 minutes because, why do they need to? Winning 30-10 is the same as winning 60-10. Coaches may reat pivots once the job is done.
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| In the old days there was a lot less disruption so teams could rack up big scores. What we have now is a lot of stop starts with time wasting, scrums, penalties to touch, feigning injuries goal line drop outs must take at least 10 mins out of the game.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"In the old days there was a lot less disruption so teams could rack up big scores. What we have now is a lot of stop starts with time wasting, scrums, penalties to touch, feigning injuries goal line drop outs must take at least 10 mins out of the game.'"
Spot on
So not even games that could go to blow outs like 80-6, you lose out o games that can go to 42-40
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| Quote ="ColD"Dreary me, for a mod implant that's a pretty poor effort, but it keeps the posts ticking along'"
Seriously??
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| Surely the thread is aimed at SL games?
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"Some would argue that when the winner scores 46 and the loser makes up most of its points in the last few minutes.'"
They still put the points on the board, regardless of when they were scored?
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| Quote ="Towns88"I think there's a massive element of sides putting the cue on the rack. Doing enough to win and not playing with an intensity for 80 minutes because, why do they need to? Winning 30-10 is the same as winning 60-10. Coaches may reat pivots once the job is done.'"
fair point
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| There have been some mammoth score lines racked up in League 1, mainly against West Wales Raiders and Hemel.
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| fev out 80 past rochdale sunday
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| Seems quite worrying that the average winning margin in SL seems to be increasing and the proportion of games where the final winning/losing margin is less than a converted try is going down.
Last season:
Ave points per game: 45.0
Ave winning margin: 15.2
% game won </= converted try: 30.2
% game won </= 2 converted tries: 51.1
This season
Ave points per game: 43.5
Ave winning margin: 15.69
% game won </= converted try: 25.2
% game won </= 2 converted tries: 43.5
Those are pretty worrying trends and, whilst I don't have the numbers to hand, I seem to recall that it's not just a trend from last season to this.
If the game isn't holding attention, because so few games are competitive (more than half of our games this season are being won by more than two scoring plays and only a quarter being won by one scoring play or less), it may explain a lot about why our TV product is struggling.
By comparison, for the last Aviva Premiership season the same stats were:
Ave points per game: 47.2
Ave winning margin: 12.12
% game won </= converted try: 45.9
% game won </= 2 converted tries: 64.7
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"Seems quite worrying that the average winning margin in SL seems to be increasing and the proportion of games where the final winning/losing margin is less than a converted try is going down.
Last season:
Ave points per game: 45.0
Ave winning margin: 15.2
% game won </= converted try: 30.2
% game won </= 2 converted tries: 51.1
This season
Ave points per game: 43.5
Ave winning margin: 15.69
% game won </= converted try: 25.2
% game won </= 2 converted tries: 43.5
Those are pretty worrying trends and, whilst I don't have the numbers to hand, I seem to recall that it's not just a trend from last season to this.
If the game isn't holding attention, because so few games are competitive (more than half of our games this season are being won by more than two scoring plays and only a quarter being won by one scoring play or less), it may explain a lot about why our TV product is struggling.
By comparison, for the last Aviva Premiership season the same stats were:
Ave points per game: 47.2
Ave winning margin: 12.12
% game won </= converted try: 45.9
% game won </= 2 converted tries: 64.7'"
Surely this just means the defence is getting better and teams are becoming more competitive? How is that worrying?
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| Quote ="the artist"Have there been any this season?
It wasn't too long ago that they were pretty common and not just when top played bottom - even some notable ones in the wigan v saints derby. so what gives? are teams better defensively or worse in attack, or are they just mentally tougher in that they don't give in when the scores pile up
are we slowly catching up with the nrl in this aspect of the game'"
I don't think so.
The NRL has a crazy amount of games every week that are undecided with 10 mins to go. Games are still in the balance with 1 score separating teams until the final stages of games on a regular basis.
Superleague will never have the same kind of competiveness as long as we don't have every side spending the full salary cap as well as have players interchanging between clubs top to bottom.
In Australia you can have a player leave a top side to go and play for the side that finished bottom the year before and its not seen as a big shock as its more than possible that a team finishing outside the top 8 can go and achieve something a year later.
We don't really have that in Super league. The better players at the top clubs tend to sign long term contracts and if they do leave its to the NRL rather than a super league side.
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| Quote ="Trinity18"Surely this just means the defence is getting better and teams are becoming more competitive? How is that worrying?'"
Teams are winning by bigger margins and fewer games are being won with a one-score margin. How does that show that the game is becoming more competitive?
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