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| I know we all hear negatives thoughts towards RL in this country ....
But Saturday is huge and would get much needed exposure and sponsorships would suddenly go through the roof as world cups are big news no matter what the sport esp in this country
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| Quote ="Thetalentboy"I know we all hear negatives thoughts towards RL in this country ....
But Saturday is huge and would get much needed exposure and sponsorships would suddenly go through the roof as world cups are big news no matter what the sport esp in this country'"
I agree it should be but the coverage that we are in the final has minimal. Was listening to talk sport on Monday and they were talking about the England RU game and there was only Joey Barton going mad that we they were talking about a meaningless friendly and not mentioning we are in a world cup final. Fair play on Barton he was like a dog with a bone and made sure every opportunity he got he mentioned it, much to the disdain of the other presenters.
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| Quote ="Thetalentboy"I know we all hear negatives thoughts towards RL in this country ....
But Saturday is huge and would get much needed exposure and sponsorships would suddenly go through the roof as world cups are big news no matter what the sport esp in this country'"
Whilst it would help a bit I think people are mistaken if they think exposure and sponsorship will go through the roof.
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| Quote there was only Joey Barton going mad'"
Its just a pity such a despicable character has to champion our cause. Anything is better than nothing though
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| IF and a BIG IF we do win it will be the best thing to happen to rugby league in this country for years and the gates when we play New Zealand next year will be sky eye
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| It's easy to see the right result as some sort of silver bullet, but it won't solve the fundamental problems with the sport.
It won't solve the fact that the top talent in Super League has to go overseas to earn their worth. It won't address the fact that clubs are generally poor at marketing and aren't growing their gates or revenue. It won't address the fact that the sport isn't appealing to the sorts of audiences that sponsors and broadcasters want to reach and it won't improve the geographical spread of the sport.
The sport is strongest in places where the local High Streets are filled with bookmakers, pawnbrokers and fast food takeaways - that's why the sport is sponsored by online bookies, payday loan firms and tinned mushy peas. Winning on Saturday doesn't change that.
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| Marketing is the key...we need to get away from the image of a sport run by Labour club ,flat capped pigeon fanciers. We need national & international brands to be supporting the game & throwing our lot in with sky is not helping in terms of spreading the word about our game. Sky advertising is more concerned with promoting sky than superleague.
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| It would give us something big to take to sponsors, and help attract new fans. It wouldn't fix RL in this country but surely it would help. Even if nothing at all changes, I'd still bloody love it!
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| Quote ="wire-quin"Its just a pity such a despicable character has to champion our cause. Anything is better than nothing though
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I agree but to be fair to him was talking very passionately about it, saying the journo on there was an ex public school boy with an anti northern agenda. He then went on to say how big a deal it should be and how if it was the RU world cup it'd be splashed all over the place.
Brazil had been in oz and only after coaxing admitted Brisbane had been buzzing with the RL and no one was even bothered (or knew that) that the ozzies were playing RU somewhere in the world. Saying that they are dire right now so they may be trying to ignore it.
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"It won't solve the fact that the top talent in Super League has to go overseas to earn their worth. It won't address the fact that clubs are generally poor at marketing and aren't growing their gates or revenue. It won't address the fact that the sport isn't appealing to the sorts of audiences that sponsors and broadcasters want to reach and it won't improve the geographical spread of the sport.'"
This. The people running this sport and it's clubs would still have to make the most of it and capitalise on it and I don't really think they'd have it in them. The idea that we just win this and they'll come flocking to us is wrong.
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| Quote ="Thetalentboy"I know we all hear negatives thoughts towards RL in this country ....
But Saturday is huge and would get much needed exposure and sponsorships would suddenly go through the roof as world cups are big news no matter what the sport esp in this country'"
Sadly it wouldn't go through the roof, sorry but thats far to simplistic and over optimistic. Also do you trust the RFL to manage it correctly, I don't.
That said it would still be a huge positive. I'd suggest it would at least temporarily reverse the games decline as a serious/major sport. Whether we could make that permanent I'm not sure, unlike RU I don't think we have the same calibre of people at senior levels both Clubs and RFL to do it.
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| If England beat Australia on Saturday I expect to see pigs flying over the North of England. I'd love us to beat them but unless Bennet has some master plan and England have been luring the Aussies into a false sense of security then I can only see an Aussie win by 20.
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| We need to win for people to take international rugby league seriously, whether that be fans, UK media, the NRL, or potential sponsors. I'm going to worry about losing players to the NRL later (i'd rather that, than lose them to union) - that's part of a bigger problem for SL and a lot of fans wouldn't like what really needs to be done to make RL in this country stronger (franchising, mergers, and a reduction of teams in SL).
If you were the aussies or the national press, why would you care about a final that we're odds-on to lose and haven't won for generations. Until that happens, the current coverage is as good as it's going to get.
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"If England beat Australia on Saturday I expect to see pigs flying over the North of England. I'd love us to beat them but unless Bennet has some master plan and England have been luring the Aussies into a false sense of security then I can only see an Aussie win by 20.'"
That is the logical response and i agree Aussies to win by a few scores is favourite, but i would say the Kiwis went in to 2008 final with a similar chance as us and did the job so it is possible and we can dream
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| the team would get on sports personality of the year with the trophy surely !!!
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"If England beat Australia on Saturday I expect to see pigs flying over the North of England. I'd love us to beat them but unless Bennet has some master plan and England have been luring the Aussies into a false sense of security then I can only see an Aussie win by 20.'"
.....YES WE ARE UNDERDOGS
But the way people talk you'd think Aussies put 80 on us every time we play them
It was 12-4 after 75 minutes only 4 weeks ago it's hardly impossible and we do do it Muppets like you will still knock it "oh Fifita and Jennings choose Tonga instead and Thurston and Inglis out etc
And then wonder why the sport always gos back in this country!
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| It would be fantastic if we won, but let's not pretend that the RLWC is quite the same as a RUWC or football world cup. In those sports there are lots of high quality teams (especially football). To win the RLWC we only really need to win one difficult game. Ok Tonga was pretty close in the end, but it's not exactly like the football team trying to beat the likes of Germany in a semi-final. In RL we're pretty much guaranteed to always be in the semi-final at least. As a one off game, beating the Australians in their own back yard is as tough as anything you could find in football, RU or any sport really. But it is only one game, so you have to put it in that context. Still, it would be great to go into every game for the next four years knowing that we're world champions.
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| Quote ="Muggins" In RL we're pretty much guaranteed to always be in the semi-final at least.'"
People said the same about New Zealand before the tournament, in fact a number of posters said it was guaranteed to be a Austrailia v New Zealand final.
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"People said the same about New Zealand before the tournament, in fact a number of posters said it was guaranteed to be a Austrailia v New Zealand final.'"
Fair enough, but I think my comment that we're "pretty much" guaranteed to always make the semi-final I think is reasonable. Ok, it's not 100% guaranteed, but when you compare it to football or RU world cups, it's a lot more likely.
I don't know exactly how many world cups there have been, but have England/GB ever not made at least the SF? In my lifetime I can remember:
92 RU
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| Quote ="Thetalentboy".....YES WE ARE UNDERDOGS
But the way people talk you'd think Aussies put 80 on us every time we play them
It was 12-4 after 75 minutes only 4 weeks ago it's hardly impossible and we do do it Muppets like you will still knock it "oh Fifita and Jennings choose Tonga instead and Thurston and Inglis out etc
And then wonder why the sport always gos back in this country!'"
Come back on Saturday afternoon after we get beat. Then we will really see who the muppet is.
FWIW I'd love us to beat them but it just aint gonna happen.
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| A win wouldn't be any kind of miracle cure for any of the ill's within RL. However, it would certainly liven up the game generally.
Imaging the next 4N or World Cup if the Aussies do get beaten (I know they have opted out of the next 4N but, you get my drift).
It would bring some welcome positive news for the sport and most of all, remove the fear factor, when playing against them.
Will it increase ST sales for next season, probably not.
Will in increase the "brain drain" to Australia, probably
Will it increase sponsorship within the sport, probably not.
However, as a proud supporter of English (or European) RL will if make me feel phenomenally good, YES.
Come on England !
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"Come back on Saturday afternoon after we get beat. Then we will really see who the muppet is.
FWIW I'd love us to beat them but it just aint gonna happen.'"
In a one-off game, in the game of your life, in a big final, anything can happen.
Second Division Southampton v First Division Manchester United and relegated Wigan Athletic v Premier League champions Manchester City in association football to name but two big finals where the underdog has won. And we are closer to Aus than Sts and Wig were to United or City in either of those finals.
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| If England win on Saturday then it will be a golden opportunity for the RFL to reform the Super League setup and bring back franchising, with P & R restricted to the Championship and League One. Then the promotion of Toronto and Toulouse, and perhaps London, to Super League could become a UK and perhaps even world headline grabbing event, especially with the prospect of the future arrival of New York and perhaps Montreal being mentioned.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"If England win on Saturday then it will be a golden opportunity for the RFL to reform the Super League setup and bring back franchising, with P & R restricted to the Championship and League One. Then the promotion of Toronto and Toulouse, and perhaps London, to Super League could become a UK and perhaps even world headline grabbing event, especially with the prospect of the future arrival of New York and perhaps Montreal being mentioned.
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Hamilton and Boston have had more recent mentions than Montreal.
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